directed from [[Space:Spence Family Clans|The Clans]] Clan Arbuthnott is a Scottish clan or family from the area of Kincardineshire in the northeast of Scotland. The lands of Arbuthnott are believed to have come into the possession of the Swinton family during the reign of William I of Scotland through the marriage of Hugh, to the daughter of Osbert Olifard (or Oliphant) 'The Crusader'. The first recorded instance of the family acquiring the name Arbuthnott is in 1355 with Philip de Arbuthnott described as 'of that ilk'. The current chief of Clan Arbuthnott is John Arbuthnott, 16th Viscount of Arbuthnott, Lord Inverbervie and Chief of the Name and Arms of Arbuthnott, KT, CBE, DSC.

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directed from [[Space:Victoria Settlement Provincial Site|Victoria Settlement Provincial Historical Site]] === Archaeology at Victoria === Archaeologists excavated most of the trading shop and Clerk’s Quarters using tools such as shovels, trowels, brushes and screens. Timbers and artefacts were carefully exposed to reveal information on the floor and cellar construction of these buildings and on the lifestyles of those who inhabited them. The remains were recorded in photographs, written descriptions, and the maps you see to the right. This type of detailed and “first=hand” knowledge has proven to be extremely valuable in the restoration and the interpretation of the Clerk’s Quarters.

==1841 Census== Aicherbuk, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :David Elliot Male 35 1806 farmer Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Elliot Female 20 1821 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Elliot Male 15 1826 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Mary Elliot Female 11 1830 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Elliot Female 7 1834 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Mary Elliot Female 55 1786 Ind Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Elliot Male 20 1821 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :George Murray Male 14 1827 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Helen Armstrong Female 17 1824 F s Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Mary Read Female 19 1822 F s Dumfriesshire, Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017581971&expand=true Schedule 33 Aicherbuk, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Walter Rule Male 50 1791 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Joan Rule Female 50 1791 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jessie Rule Female 13 1828 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Rule Male 10 1831 Dumfriesshire, Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017581972 Schedule 34 Aicherbuk, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Rule Female 50 1791 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017581976 Schedule 35 Aicherbuk, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Johnston Female 15 1826 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Andrew Johnston Male 15 1826 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Elizabeth Johnston Female 12 1829 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :John Johnston Male 10 1831 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Johnston Male 9 1832 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Thomas Johnston Male 7 1834 Dumfriesshire, Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017581980&expand=true Schedule 36 Archerbeckburn, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Christian Elliot Female 55 1786 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Elliot Male 20 1821 Ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Isabella Elliot Female 12 1829 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Hope Female 55 1786 Ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland Beck Hall, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :James Little Male 25 1816 farmer Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jannet Little Female 25 1816 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jannet Little Female 95 1746 England :Mary Irving Female 15 1826 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Sarah Smith Female 20 1821 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :John Kyle Male 15 1826 ag Lab Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017577173&expand=true Schedule 18 Hairlaw, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Elizabeth McDougal Female 45 1796 labourer Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jannet Hutton Female 25 1816 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :John Little Male 10 1831 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Little Female 8 1833 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :James Johnstone Male 3 1838 Dumfriesshire, Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017572934 Schedule 1 Hairlaw, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Leslie Female 40 1801 ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Elizabeth Johnstone Female 15 1826 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Andrew Johnstone Male 10 1831 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Grace Johnstone Female 8 1833 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Robert Johnstone Male 5 1836 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :John Johnstone Male 3 1838 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Johnstone Female 1 1840 Dumfriesshire, Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017572939&expand=true Schedule 2 Hairlaw Mill, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Little Male 35 1806 labourer ag Lab Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Isabella Little Female 40 1801 England :James Little Male 5 1836 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Arthur Little Male 3 1838 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jannet Little Female 0 1841 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Reginald Armstrong Male 50 1791 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Isabella Armstrong Female 65 1776 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Agness Johnstone Female 18 1823 Scotlandhttps://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017581952&expand=true Schedule 41 Hairlaw Mill, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Matthew McDougal Male 35 1806 coal miner Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Ruth McDougal Female 35 1806 England :Jane McDougal Female 14 1827 England :John McDougal Male 13 1828 England :Frances F McDougal Female 12 1829 England :William McDougal Male 9 1832 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Matthew McDougal Male 7 1834 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Elizabeth McDougal Female 5 1836 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Isabella McDougal Female 3 1838 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Francis H McDougal Male 1 1840 Dumfriesshire, Scotland Hairlaw Mill, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland Schedule 42 Hairlawhole, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Michael Armstrong Male 45 1796 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Julia Armstrong Female 42 1799 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Robert Armstrong Male 17 1824 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jannet Armstrong Female 15 1826 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Thomas Armstrong Male 13 1828 Dumfriesshire, Scotland :James Forster Male 30 1811 England :Andrew Edgar Male 17 1824 Dumfriesshire, Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1841/0017580803&expand=true Schedule 34 ==1851 Census== Archerbeck, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :David Elliot Head Married Male 50 1801 Farmer of 120 ac (no laborer) Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Elliot Wife Married Female 35 1816 Farmer's wife Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Elliot Son Unmarried Male 26 1825 Farmer's son Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Elliot Daughter Unmarried Female 17 1834 Farmer's daur Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Agnes Elliot Daughter - Female 9 1842 Scholar Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Anne Elliot Daughter - Female 8 1843 Scholar Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Thomas Elliot Son - Male 4 1847 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Mary Elliot Daughter - Female 0 1851 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William Armstrong Servant Unmarried Male 16 1835 Farm lab Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Martha Hutton Servant Unmarried Female 18 1833 Farm serv Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021516088&expand=true Schedule 14 Archerbeck, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Joan Rule Head Widow Female 62 1789 Midwife Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jessie Rule Daughter Unmarried Female 23 1828 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :John Johnstone Nephew Unmarried Male 20 1831 Carter Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021516099 Schedule 15 Archerbeck, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Rule Head Unmarried Female 54 1797 Seamstress Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Bell Daughter Unmarried Female 27 1824 Seamstress Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Telford Grand daughter - Female 1 1850 - England https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021516102 Schedule 16 Archerbeck Burn, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Agness Hislop Head Unmarried Female 54 1797 Dress maker Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Jane Hogg Grand daughter Unmarried Female 15 1836 At home Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret Hope Cousin Unmarried Female 56 1795 Servant Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021517301 Schedule 22 Harelaw, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Elizabeth Little Head Widow Female 59 1792 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :John Little Son Unmarried Male 21 1830 Coal miner Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Gideon Murray Cousin Unmarried Male 64 1787 Pauper (formerly a labourer) England https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021515598 Schedule 12 Harelaw, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Thomas Armstrong Head Married Male 33 1818 Labourer (employed at lime works) Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Barbara Armstrong Wife Married Female 35 1816 - Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Richard Armstrong Son - Male 9 1842 Scholar Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Helen Armstrong Daughter - Female 4 1847 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :David Armstrong Son - Male 7 1844 Scholar Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Thomas Armstrong Son - Male 0 1851 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021515601&expand=true Schedule 13 Harelaw, Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Andrew McNeil Head Married Male 30 1821 Labourer (employed at lime kilns) Irongray, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Margaret McNeil Wife Married Female 26 1825 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Helen McNiel Daughter - Female 6 1845 Scholar Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :William McNiel Son - Male 3 1848 Scholar Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland :Elizabeth McNiel Daughter - Female 1 1850 - Canonbie, Dumfriesshire, Scotland https://www.findmypast.co.uk/transcript?id=GBC/1851/0021515593 Schedule 11 ==Sources==

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Legal proceedings among offspring of [[Caraway-45|Archibald Caraway]] ===[https://www.newspapers.com/image/63371749/?terms=Thetis%2BCaraway&match=1 Petition for sale of real estate] September 1838=== :State of North Carolina :Anson County : Superior Court of Equity, Fall Term, 1838 :: : [[Hemby-60|Noah B. Hemby]] and his wife [[Caraway-66|Louisa]], Benjamin K. Pond and his wife [[Caraway-68|Lucretia]], [[Polk-415|Andrew Polk]], [[Caraway-69|William Henry Benton]], [[McClendon-202|Joel McLendon]], [[Caraway-63|Ellis Caraway]], George Little and [[Boggan-31|James Boggan]] :::Against : [[Barber-2463|Moses Barber]] and his wife [[Caraway-60|Thetis]],[[Boggan-24| Joseph Boggan]] and wife [[Caraway-65|Sarah]], [[Caraway-70|Laban Caraway]], [[Caraway-61|William T. Caraway]], [[Caraway-48|Calvin J. Caraway]], [[Caraway-62|Edwin S. Caraway]], Taylor Caraway, [[Caraway-67|John Caraway]], William Hendricks (possibly [[Hendrix-535]]), Sarah S. Hendricks, Jas. M. Hendricks, and Thomas J. Hendricks. :PETITION FOR THE SALE OF REAL ESTATE : It appearing to the satisfaction of the Court, that the above named Defendants, Moses Barber and his wife Thetis, Joseph Boggan and wife Sarah, Laban Caraway, William T. Caraway, Calvin J. Caraway, Edwin S. Caraway, Taylor Caraway, John Caraway, William Hendricks, Sarah S. Hendricks, Jas. M. Hendricks, and Thomas J. Hendricks, reside beyond the limits of this State: it is therefore ''Ordered by the Court'', that publication be made in the Fayetteville Observer for six successive weeks, for said Defendants to be and appear before the Honorable the Judge of our next Court of Ewuity, to be held for the County of Anson, at the Court House in Wadesborough, on the 2d Monday of March next, then and there to shew cause, if any they have, prayer of the petitions should not be granted, otherwise judgment pro confession will be taken, and the cause heard ex parte as to them. :: : Witness, William Ewing Troy, Clerk and Master of our said Court of Equity, at Office, in Wadesborough, the 2d Monday of September, A. D. 1838, and in the 63d year of American Independence. ''newspapers.com'' ===[https://www.newspapers.com/image/64170200/ Petition for Dower, Nancy Taylor]=== :State of North Carolina :Anson County : Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, April Term, 1830 : Nancy Taylor ::: vs :The Heirs at Law of [[Taylor-39404|Wm. Taylor]], dec. :

In this case, it appearing to the satisfaction of the Court, that Sanders Taylor, William Green and Mary his wife, Joseph Boggan and Sarah his wife, Laban and Edwin Caraway reside without the limits of the State, it is therefore Ordered, that publication be made for three months in the ''Carolina Observer'' that unless the said Sanders Taylor, William Green and Mary his wife, Joseph Boggan and Sarah his wife, Laban and Edwin Caraway, appear at our next County Court of Pleas and Quarters, to be held for the county of Anson, at the Court House in Wadesborough, on the second Monday in July next, and then and there to plead, answer or demure to the said petition, otherwise judgment will be taken pro confesso.
Witness, William Dismukes, Clerk of our said Court at Office, the second Monday of April, A. D. 1830 and 54th year of our Independence.

===[https://www.newspapers.com/clip/10737093/settlement_of_estate_tristam_caraway/ Settlement of estate for Tristam Caraway] 1846=== :State of North Carolina :Anson County : Court of Pleas and Quarter Sessions, October Term, 1846 :: : James C. Caraway, William T. Caraway, Thomas J. Polk,Thomas Polk, son of [[Polk-415|Andrew Polk]] and [[Caraway-64|Colin Caraway]] and others :::vs : Joseph Burch,Mother: [[Thomas-25994|Elizabeth Thomas]] from first marriage to Joseph Burch, Jr. See: {{FindAGrave|13031282}} [[Boggan-24|Adm'r Joseph Boggan]] and wife [[Caraway-65|Sarah]], [[Hemby-60|Noah B. Hemby]] and wife [[Caraway-66|Louisa]], [[Barber-2463|Moses Barber]] and wife [[Caraway-60|Thetis]], [[Caraway-70|Laban]], [[Caraway-62|Edwin]], [[Caraway-48|Calvin]], John, Taylor, and [[Caraway-63|Ellis Caraway]], James Sinclair and wife Mary, Wm. Zimmerman and wife Sarah, Edward Burch, John Haselton and wife Eliza, and Elizabeth Caraway.Elizabeth Caraway, Archibald's daughter by 2nd wife, born after 1821 and of age at the time of Tristam's death in 1843 ::Petition for Settlement of estate of Tristam T. Caraway. :: Witness, [[Boggan-19|Norfleet D. Boggan]], Clerk of our said Court, at Office, the 2d Monday of October, A. D. 1846, and the 70th year of American Independence. ==Sources== *newspapers.com * Newspapers.com Fayetteville Weekly Observer (Fayetteville, North Carolina) · Thu, Jun 3, 1830 · Page 4. [[https://www.newspapers.com/clippings/download/?id=10742297&name=Laban%20Caraway%2C%20Joseph%20Boggan%2C%20William%20Taylor%2C%20etc.&print=1 Printed on May 8, 2017]] [[Bairfield-1|Bairfield-1]]

'''AUGUSTA COUNTY WILL BOOKS re: Archibald Clendenning being Mary's Father or Husband''': '''Will Book No. 4''', p37 19th August, 1767. Archd. Clendenning's estate settlement by Ann Clendenning, recorded.--Paid Ash Claftrock, John Clendenning, Wm. Galespie, Zopher Carpenter, James Furguson, David Galloway, James Millican, Robt. Galespie , Geo. Roberts, Benj. Kimsey, John Baller. We sometimes forget how dangerous it was to live on the Virginia frontier before the Revolutionary War. Archibald Clendenning, whose estate was settled in the above mentioned reference had been killed and scalped by the Indians. We found an account of his death in Memoirs of the Indian Wars by Colonel John Stuart of Greenbrier and we quote as follows: "From Muddy Creek the Indians passed over into the Levels, (Greenbrier Co.) where some families were collected at Clendenin's--numbering between fifty and one hundred persons, men, women, and children." There says Colonel Stuart, they were entertained as at Muddy Creek in the most hospitable manner. "Clendenin having just arrived from a hunt with three fat elks, they were plentifully feasted. In the meantime, an old woman with a sore leg, was showing her distress to an Indian and inquiring if he could administer to her relief; he said he thought he could, and drawing his tomahawk instantly killed her and all the men almost that were in the house." "Mrs Clendenin did not fail to abuse the Indians, calling them cowards, etc. although the tomahawk was drawn over her head with threats of instant death, and the scalp of her husband lashed about her jaws." "The prisoners were all taken over to Muddy Creek and a party of Indians detained them there till the return of the others from Carr's Creek when the whole were taken off together. On the day they started from the foot of Keency's Knob going over the mountain, Mrs. Clendenin gave her infant to a prisoner woman to carry, as the prisoners were in the center of the line with the Indians in front and rear, and she escaped into a thicket and concealed herself. The cries of the child soon made the Indians inquire for the mother, and one of them said he could bring the cow to the calf. Taking the child by the heels he beat its brains out against a tree and throwing it in the path the savages and horses trampled over it. She told me, says Colonel Stuart, that she returned that night in the dark to her own house, a distance of more than ten miles, and covered her husband's corpse with rails which lay in the yard where he was killed in endeavoring to escape over the fence with one of his children in his arms. Mrs. Clendenin seems to have been partially crazed from the beginning of the massacre. That night, after giving what burial she could to her husband's body, she was seized with mortal terror, thinking she saw a murderer standing over her. Upon recovering her reason, she resumed her flight, and reached the settlements in safety. Colonel Stuart states that the Indians continued the war till 1764 making incursions within a few miles of Staunton. All of the above references are very important because they prove Robert Gillespie was living on the lower part of the Cowpasture River in Augusta County Virginia from 1755 through 1767. Then, in 1770, Botetourt County was formed from the southern portion of Augusta County. Botetourt was a huge county. Its boundaries covered the present states of Kentucky, West Virginia, Ohio, Indiana, Illinois, and a small portion of Wisconsin.

==Process== Study: Referring to In Defense of Small Segments In Defense of Small Segments [https://segmentology.org/2020/01/31/in-defense-of-small-segments/] Archibald Glendinning of Westerkirk Connections to Amanda (Moyer) Torrey [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Connection&action=connect&person1Name=Glendinning-45&person2Name=Moyer-780&relation=0&ignoreIds=] As there is a gedmatch between Ian and Amanda we need to establish Connections to find where their paths intersect on the Tree as the connection isn't yet clear. '''DNA Match''' Refer: Jim Barlett In Defense of Small Segments [1] Primary Sources: Scotland's Parish Records, Gedmatch results and Wikitrees "Relationship to Me" Identify the family through Y-DNA test results. Ian Glendinning on Wikitree's Surname Index. Compare Autosomal results Amanda (Moyer) Torrey with Ian. Shares a common ancestor through trace 3-4 cMs over 5 segments. The closest MCRA possible would be Mary's father Archibald Glendinning: Immigrant to Cowpasture. That means by applying Jim Barlett's formula, we would need 10 matches with me, all of whom are known or suspected descendants of Mary's Clendennin "father", and all of whom match on the same one or two segments. DNA GEDMATCH Ian Glendinning lives in Aberdeen has results for both autosomal and Y-DNA results. Appears on Archibald Glendinning, Fred Nix PM. [1] Matching Ian Glendinning Autosomal DNA that would mean once we connect our Archibald with Ian Glendinning's extended family, he will appear on the male profiles on our line and we'll be closer to applying the plaid to the colonists as well as resolve William Gillespie's wife as Mary Glendinning. Result: Amanda (Moyer) Torrey and Ian Glendinning Comparing Kit T961533 (Ian Glendinning) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] have a match. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.3cM (0.567 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 202798 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.164 Pct SNPs are full identical with Chromosomes 2, 8, 10, 12, 13. A match of 3-4 cMs is consistent when shared 18th Century MRCA. Since Ian has the Y-DNA for Glendinnings then if This branch descends from one of his branches his data will automatically appear on our profiles and tie us together. ===Connection to Me 23:05, 25 April 2022 (UTC)=== :[[Glendinning-45|Archibald Glendinning]] [[Glendinning-45|Archibald Glendinning]] m. [[Little-1410|Agnes (Little) Glendinning]] Westerkirk Dumfries 5 children (Sourced) Archibald's son [[Glendinning-44|James Glendenning]] m. [[Beattie-10|Isabel (Beattie) Glendenning]] Westerkirk 8 children (Sourced) James' daughter [[Glendenning-45|Mary (Glendenning) Thomson]] m. [[Thomson-37|David Thomson]] Meikleholm Dumfries 10 Children (Sourced) Mary's son [[Thomson-20|Andrew Thomson]] Westerkirk m. [[Stephens-58|Clarissa (Stephens) Thomson]] New York Clarissa's half-sister [[Stevens-13334|Mary (Stevens) Wright]] m. [[Wright-16659|Malcolm Wright]] ==Source== * Family Search [https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GCCH-7G2]

==Descendency== Refer: Jim Barlett In Defense of Small Segments [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Space:Archibald_Glendinning_to_Mary&errcode=new_profile] Primary Sources: * Scotland's Parish Records, * Gedmatch results and * Wikitrees "Relationship to Me" Identify the family through Y-DNA test results. [[Glendinning-90|Ian Glendinning]] on Wikitree's Surname Index. Compare Autosomal results [[Moyer-780|Amanda (Moyer) Torrey]] with Ian. Shares a common ancestor through trace 3-4 cMs over 5 segments. The closest MCRA possible would be Mary's father [[Glendenin-3|Archibald Glendinning]]: Immigrant to Cowpasture. That means by applying Jim Barlett's formula, we would need 10 matches with me, all of whom are known or suspected descendants of Mary's Clendennin "father", and all of whom match on the same one or two segments. ==DNA GEDMATCH== [[Glendinning-90|Ian Glendinning]] lives in Aberdeen has results for both autosomal and Y-DNA results. Appears on [[Glendinning-45|Archibald Glendinning]], [[Nix-228|Fred Nix]] PM. Archibald Glendinning Westerkirk [https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Glendinning-45] Wikitree Matching [[Glendinning-90|Ian Glendinning]] Autosomal DNA that would mean once we connect our Archibald with Ian Glendinning's extended family, he will appear on the male profiles on our line and we'll be closer to applying the plaid to the colonists as well as resolve William Gillespie's wife as Mary Glendinning. '''Result:''' [[Moyer-780|Amanda (Moyer) Torrey]] and [[Glendinning-90|Ian Glendinning]] Comparing Kit T961533 (Ian Glendinning) [Migration - F2 - T] and Kit UZ9855520 (Amanda Torrey) [MyHeritage] have a match. Total Half-Match segments (HIR) 20.3cM (0.567 Pct); 5 shared segments found for this comparison. 202798 SNPs used for this comparison. 51.164 Pct SNPs are full identical with Chromosomes '''2,''' '''8,''' 10, '''12,''' 13. A match of 3-4 cMs is consistent when shared 18th Century MRCA. :Since '''Ian has the Y-DNA for Glendinnings''' then if This branch descends from one of his branches his data will automatically appear on our profiles and tie us together. ''Are there more than one Glendenning?'' : Connection between [[Glendenin-3|Archibald Glendenning]] between [[Glendinning-90|Ian Glendenning]] [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Connection&action=connect&person1Name=Glendinning-90&person2Name=Glendenin-3&relation=0&ignoreIds=] and Amanda (Moyer) Torrey ===Westerkirk=== Archibald only child with that name born in Westerkirk at that time Archibald[https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&event=%28B%20OR%20C%20OR%20S%29&record_type%5B0%5D=opr_births&church_type=Old%20Parish%20Registers&dl_cat=church&dl_rec=church-births-baptisms&surname=Glendinning&surname_so=exact&forename=Archibald&forename_so=starts&from_year=1700&to_year=1750&parent_names_so=exact&parent_name_two_so=exact&record=Church%20of%20Scotland%20%28old%20parish%20registers%29%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church%20Other%20churches&rd_real_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_display_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK_WESTERKIRK&rd_label%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK] Scotland's People : Archibald Glendinning from Westerkirk married Jane Beatty 18 Jun 1724 Archibald Glendinning m. Jane Beatty in Westerkirk [https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&event=M&record_type%5B0%5D=opr_marriages&church_type=Old%20Parish%20Registers&dl_cat=church&dl_rec=church-banns-marriages&surname=Glendinning&surname_so=exact&forename_so=starts&spouse_name_so=exact&from_year=1700&to_year=1750&record=Church%20of%20Scotland%20%28old%20parish%20registers%29%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church%20Other%20churches&rd_real_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_display_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK_WESTERKIRK&rd_label%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK]ScotlandsPeople :: He died in Westerkirk. Archibald and his wife did not seem to have children named Archibald Glendinning. 4 children from Westerkirk [https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&event=%28B%20OR%20C%20OR%20S%29&record_type%5B0%5D=opr_births&church_type=Old%20Parish%20Registers&dl_cat=church&dl_rec=church-births-baptisms&surname=Glendinning&surname_so=exact&forename_so=starts&from_year=1700&to_year=1750&parent_names=Archibald%20Glendinning&parent_names_so=exact&parent_name_two_so=exact&record=Church%20of%20Scotland%20%28old%20parish%20registers%29%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church%20Other%20churches&rd_real_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_display_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK_WESTERKIRK&rd_label%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK] Scotland's People : '''Archibald from Westerkirk's Father is James'''. James married before 1700 Parrish kept records for marriages and births : '''1) Archibald - b. 27 Feb 1704''' m. Jane Beatty in Westerkirk (See Above) : 2) Jennet -b. 15 Mar 1702 : 3) James - b. 21 Apr 1704 : '''For Children of James (Mary's paternal grandfather), Siblings of Archibald''' : The Parrish christened 25 Children born between 1700-1750 in Westerkirk Dumfries named Glendinning. There were 4 who were Archibalds siblings Children christened between 1700-1750 [https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results?search_type=people&event=%28B%20OR%20C%20OR%20S%29&record_type%5B0%5D=opr_births&church_type=Old%20Parish%20Registers&dl_cat=church&dl_rec=church-births-baptisms&surname=Glendinning&surname_so=exact&forename_so=starts&from_year=1700&to_year=1750&parent_names_so=exact&parent_name_two_so=exact&record=Church%20of%20Scotland%20%28old%20parish%20registers%29%20Roman%20Catholic%20Church%20Other%20churches&rd_real_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_display_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK_WESTERKIRK&rd_label%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK&rd_name%5B0%5D=WESTERKIRK] Scotland's People : '''Archibald Jane had the following children''': : 1) Jennet b. 16 Nov. 1729 Westerkirk : 2) James b. 14 Nov 1731 (maybe died when little) Westerkirk : 3) John b.8 Dec 1734 Westerkirk : 4) James b. 17 Dec 1738 Westerkirk : ''' ''The theory is [[Glendenin-3|Archibald Glendinning]] if Mary's father might be Archibald from Westerkirk's Uncle (James Brother)'' '''

https://www.sbc.org.pl/dlibra/publication/476991/edition/447002 Danach war er um 1552 geboren. Franz Kern vermutet - wohl mit Recht , daß jener Kupferschmied Samuel Beichling sein Vater war der 1575 (in zweiter Ehe) getraut wurde, 1577 eine Tochter Maria im Ulter Alter von 14 Jahren begrub und am 14. April 1579 im Neuendorf begraben wurde, wo ja auch der Urgroßvater Handels zunächst gewohnt hat. In Eisleben werden noch mehrere Träger des Namens genannt. Am 29. Juni 1513 kaufte Dominicus Biechling, "Haus, hof bei dem Hüttehof" für 70 Gulden von Margarete, Witwe des Nidel Fuhrmann. Als Dominicus Beichling war er 1530 Zeuge bei einer Auseinanderseßung). Im Erbbuch des Grafen Albrecht von Mansfield 1534) wird er als Besiker von drei Hufen Landes und einem Garten neben Gebhard Beichling genannt. In Graben vor Gebhard Beichlings Garten ertrant am 3. 2. 1559 Heinrich Thom a von Eisleben9). Anläßlich des großen Brandes von 1601 stiftete ein Asmus Beichling 5 Gulden mit dem Bemerten: "will Fenter dafür machen" woraus sich sein Beruf ergibt). Im Kirchenbuch werden ferner ein Leineweber Andreas Beichling im Petriviertel erwähnt, dem 1587, ein Sohn geboren wurde , und Merten Beichling, der 1575 eien Tochter taufte. In Dominicus oder Gebhard werden wir den Vater des älteren Kupferschmiedes zu suchen haben. In früheren Urkunden fehlt dann der Name des Geschlechts, insbesondere in den später noch zu erwähnenden Werder- und Achtbüchern von 1420 und 1433 mit vollständigen Einwohnerlisten. Vielleicht stammt die Familie aus dem Amte Seeburg, wo sie urkundlich um 1560 nachweisbar ift. Wer war nun die Frau des Samuel Beichling und die Mutter der Anna Handel? Bei dem Traueintrag folgte der Pfarrer einer (2) schlechten allerdings weit verbreiteten Sitte die-sich wiederverheiratende Witwe nicht mit ihrem Geburtsnamen , sondern mit dem Namen ihres ersten Ehemannes aufzuführen . Die Kirchen bücher versagen . Aber der Name des Pfarrers und Defans weist einen Weg. Pankratius Kunsdorfer jun. war der Sohn des Pankratius Kunsdorfer sen., der. aus Franken gebürtig, der lekte Prior des Prior des Klosters Mansfeld war und von Spangenberg) als "ein ernster, harter Mann im Orden aber darneben auch verschlagen und listig, von kurzweiligen Gesprächen und Scherzen" geschildert wird. 1525 trat er zur lutherischen Lehre über, heiratete und versah die Pfarrstellen in Biesenrode, Rotha und Vatterrode), wo er am 12. 2. 1564 in hohem Alter starb. Hier wurde auch sein Sohn Pankratius geboren). Der studierte 1546 in Wittenberg), bekleidete dann ein Pfarramt in Volkmariß , wo er 1554 genannt wird), zog Ostern 1557 in Seeburg an) und wurde hier Dekan. Im Frühjahr 1585 starb er an der Pest. Um seinen nicht unbedeutenden ??????) entspann sich zwischen seinen beiden Sohnen erfter Ehe und seiner zweiten Frau ein lebhafter Rechtsstreit. Schon am 10. 1. 1586 klagte legtere im Eisleber Konsistorium, daß die Söhne ihr Witmenrecht nicht anerkannten). Sie wurde auf eine Klage im Amt Seeburg verwiesen. Dem Spruch des Schössers Heinrich Steinhaus wollten die Söhne nicht gehorsasmen. Die Witwe mußte am 1. Marz 1586 klagen, "wie ihre Stiefsöhne übel haushalten und auch mit verzehren was ihr gebührt." Ubermals verwies man sie an die Obrigkeit. Da trat ihr Vater beim Konsistorium für sie ein; "Ziehbogen, Landrichter im Amt Seeburg, suchet um die Execution, daß seiner Tochter, Herrn Pankratii Kunsdorfers witwen zu Seeburg, zu ihrem Unteil ... möchte verholfen werden" (3. Mai 1586). Die Witwe des ßfarrers, die sich bald darauf mit dem Kupferschied Samuel Belching in Eisleben verheiratet, war also die Tochter des Landrichters Christoph Ziehbogen in Afeleben, einem Dorfe nahe Seeburg. 1562 taucht sein Name zum ersten Male im Urfiedenbuch des Amtes Seeburg auf, wo er als Hausvogt zu Schraplau den Schuldgefangenen Stephan Tümpel aus ?aft bürgte. Er versah also eine beamtete Stellung auf den gräflichen Schlosse Schraplau und wird bei der Unseßhaftigkeit der Beamten nicht aus Mansfeld stammen wo wir seinen seltenen Namen sonst nicht finded. Ob, "Ziehbogen" von dem Namen des mendischen Gottes Czernobog abzuleiten ist, mag mit einem Fageziechen angemerkt werden. Schon im folgenden Jahre mar Christoph Ziehbogen ansässig und nach Aseleben verzogen. 1563 bezeichnete man ihn "von Aseleben" in einer Urkunde, auf die wir noch zurückfommen müssen. Nach dem "Erbbuch des Amtes Seeburg de Anno 1582") besaß er zu Aseleben "Haus Hof und eine halbe Hufe Landes, meiter 3/4 Landes, 1 Rohrfleck, 1/2 Hufe Landes und 2 Acker. Ist schoß-, dienst- und zehendfrei". Damit gehörte ihm das einzige Freigut in Aseleben, und bei allen Aufzählungen der Gerechtigkeiten des Amtes im Dorfe heißt es stets: "ausgenommen Christoph Ziehbogen". Die Umtshandelsbücher verzeichnen eine Reihe von ihm getätigter Rechtshandlungen). Um 3. 10. 1563 verkaufte er eine 3/4 Bollen Fischerei im Süßen See für 80 Gulden an Dictus Heinrich in Aseleben, dem seine Frau Barbara am 6. Mai zustimmte. Um 28. 12. 1574 lieh er sich von den Erben des verstorbenen Landrichters Andreas Heinrich als Bürge eintrat. Aber schon am 13. 1. 1576 waren er und seine Frau in der Lage, ihrerseits dem Brosius Lenke in Aseleben 200 Gulden zu leihen, wie am 11. 11. 1582 dem Nicol Funke 100 Gulden. Mehrfach treffen mir den Freibauern als Zeugen, Bürgen und Bormund; kurz, er war eine Berfönlichkeit im Amte Seeburg, die in wichtigen Angelegenheiten mitzusprechen hatte. Unter dem 19. 1. 1579 ist Ziehbogen zum ersten Male als "geischmorner Landschöppe" beurkundet, als er an einem "öffentlich gehegten Landgericht" im Amte Seeburg teilnahm. Nach dem Tode des Landrichters Hieronymus Bolland ging 1586 das höchste Laienamt auf ihn über-das des Landrichters. Es ist zweifelhaft, ob er ben weißen Stab des Richters im öffentlichen Landgericht unter Himmel noch führte, wie es von seinen beiden Borgängern Andreas Taute und Hieronymus Bolland oft geschehen war. Zwar sind die Urkunden dieser Zeit nicht ganz lückenlos, aber nach den vorhandenen hat er kein Landgericht mehr gehalten Damit war altes deutsches Recht versunken, die Laien ausgeschaltet; der rechtsgelehrte Umtmann richete und urteilte hinter verschlossenen Türen. Seit Christoph Ziehbogen war die Stellung des Landbrichters im Amte Seeburg nicht mehr die alte, in der ein Freier über Freie richete und ohne Gelehrsamkeit Recht fand. Ießt wurde er nur noch als Sachnerständiger zugezogen, oder wenn der Amtmann den Borgang feierlich gestalten wollte. Auf das Ansehen des Mannes, dem Titel und Stellung verblieben, übte das keinen Einfluß. Als er starb, seßten ihm seine Erben ein würdiges Denkmal in der Aseleber Rirche, von dem noch heute die Inschrift an der Normand des Turmes vorhanden ist): "Anno 1595 den 4. Octob. ist der Erbare und wolgeachte ...

Welkom op de Connect-a-Thon archief pagina van de Flying Dutchmen. Je vindt hier onder andere de lijsten met oud deelnemers. Welcome on the Connect-a-Thon archive page of the Flying Dutchmen. You will find here, among other things, the lists of former participants. ==January 2024 Team== # [[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] Team captain # [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] # [[Van_Veenendaal-14|Joke van Veenendaal]] # [[Molier-3|B. W. J. Molier]] # [[Duffhauss-1|Monique Duffhauss]] # [[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] # [[De_Kloe-3|Jos de Kloe]] # [[Terstal-1|Nick Terstal]] # [[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] #[[Rulkens-14|R Rulkens]] # [[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] # [[Van_Munster-10|Peter van Munster]] # [[Van_Agthoven-11|Frans van Agthoven]] #[[De_Moulin-82|Maureen S Buttner]] ==July 2023 Team== # [[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] Team captain # [[Molier-3|B. W. J. Molier]] # [[Duffhauss-1|Monique Duffhauss]] # [[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] # [[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] # [[Widenstedt-15|Antonia Reuvers]] # [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] # [[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] # [[Mullins-2069|Jayme Arrington]] # [[Mulder-2419|J.M. Mulder]] # [[Terstal-1|Nick Terstal]] # [[Van_Agthoven-11|Frans van Agthoven]] # [[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] # [[De_Moulin-82|Maureen S Buttner]] # [[Van_Os_de_Man-40|Bertil van Os de Man]] # [[Dagevos-21|Carolina Dagevos Millin]] # [[Van_Pamelen-73|Django Palstra]] # [[Links-6|Henk Links]] == Deelnemers - Participants April 2023== # [[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] Team captain # [[Mullins-2069|Jayme Arrington]] # [[Molier-3|B. W. J. Molier]] # [[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] # [[Van_Os_de_Man-40|Bertil van Os de Man]] # [[Ameling-140|Richard Ameling]] # [[Duffhauss-1|Monique Duffhauss]] # [[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] # [[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] # [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] # [[Harmsen-127|Frederika Harmsen]] # [[Links-6|Henk Links]] == Deelnemers - Participants January 2023== # [[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] Team captain # [[Duffhauss-1|Monique Duffhauss]] # [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] # [[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] # [[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] # [[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] # [[Van_Agthoven-11|Frans van Agthoven]] # [[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] # [[Molier-3|B. W. J. Molier]] # [[Links-6|Henk Links]] == Deelnemers - Participants July 2022== # [[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] Team captain # [[Mulder-2419|J.M. Mulder]] # [[Duffhauss-1|Monique Duffhauss]] # [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] # [[Baas-250|Amanda Baas]] # [[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] # [[Molier-3|B. W. J. Molier]] # [[Links-6|Henk Links]] # [[Slof-5|Tineke Slof]] # [[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] # [[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] # [[Van Hoof-113|Koen van Hoof]] # [[Lackaff-16|Derek Lackaff]] # [[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] # [[Van Delft-86|Alex van Delft]] #[[Daniels-3035|Connie Graves]] == Deelnemers - Participants April 2022== #[[Schellenberger-149|Astrid Spaargaren]] Team captain #[[Jousma-11|Colleen Jousma]] Team captain #[[Beers-813|Margreet Beers]] #[[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] #[[Hollander-196|Joan Hollander]] #[[Witvoet-92|Sieger Witvoet]] #[[Robertson-6617|W.Robertson]] #[[Molier-3|B.W.J. Molier]] #[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] #[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] #[[Duffhauss-1|Monique Duffhauss]] #[[Slof-5|Tineke Slof]] #[[Mullins-2069|Jayme Mullins Arrington]] #[[Daniels-3035|Connie Graves]] #[[Van_den_Berg-1257|Herman van den Berg]] #[[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] #[[De_Moor-154|Nele De Moor]] #[[Van_Munster-10|Peter van Munster]] #[[Wagenaar-226|Minke Wagenaar]] #[[Baijense-2|Hans Baijense]] #[[De_Wit-1561|Peter De Wit]] #[[Overmars-10|Herman Overmars]] #[[Links-6|Henk Links]] #[[Weessies-1|Nancy Weessies]] #[[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] #[[H-605|Ivonne Heijst]] #[[Van_Hoof-113| Koen van Hoof]] #[[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] == Deelnemers - Participants January 2022== #[[Schellenberger-149|Astrid Spaargaren]] Team captain #[[Jousma-11|Colleen Jousma]] Team captain #[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] #[[Beers-813|Margreet Beers]] Personal assistent ;-) #[[Robertson-6617|W.Robertson]] #[[Hollander-196|Joan Dubbelboer]] #[[Dijkgraaf-24|Coen Jacob Dijkgraaf]] #[[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] #[[Witvoet-92|Sieger Witvoet]] #[[Molier-3|B.W.J. Molier]] #[[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] #[[Van_Os_de_Man-40|Bertil van Os de Man]] #[[Slof-5|Tineke Slof]] #[[Daniels-3035|Connie (Daniels) Graves]] #[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] #[[Baas-250|Amanda Baas]] #[[Van_Hoof-113|Koen van Hoof]] #[[Mulder-2419|J. Mulder]] #[[Van_den_Berg-1257|Herman van den Berg]] #[[Knegt-10|Gesinus Knegt]] #[[Mullins-2069|Jayme (Mullins) Arrington]] #[[Stuivenberg-2|Enoch Stuivenberg]] #[[Hensgens-42|Charles Hensgens]] #[[De_Groot-666|Kim de Groot]] #[[H-605|Ivonne (H) Heijst]] #[[Wagenaar-226|Minke Wagenaar]] #[[Overmars-10|Herman Overmars]] #[[Goedegebuure-21|Petra Goedegebuure]] #[[Terink-1|Jan Terink]] #[[Van_Munster-10|Peter van Munster]] #[[Holland-12755|Julie Holland]] #[[Links-6|Henk Links]] #[[Wine-527|Chris Wine]] #[[Milton-1294|Catherine Milton]] == Deelnemers - Participants 2021== #[[Schellenberger-149|Astrid Spaargaren]] Team Captain / Cheerleader . #[[Lehman-2372|Francis Lehman]] #[[Beers-813|Margreet Beers]] #[[Verhelst-99|Tiko Verhelst]] #[[Vorenhout-1|Michel Vorenhout]] #[[Molier-3|B. W. J. Molier]] #[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] #[[Van_Belzen-1|Joop van Belzen]] #[[Van_Veenendaal-14|Joke van Veenendaal]] #[[Boevé-16|Nick Boevé]] # [[Stuivenberg-2|Enoch Stuivenberg]] # [[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] # [[Baas-250|Amanda Baas]] # [[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] # [[Jillson-129|Cheryl Cunningham]] # [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] # [[Van Hoof-113|Koen van Hoof]] #[[H-605|Ivonne Heijst]] == Deelnemers - Participants 2020== #[[Schellenberger-149|Astrid Spaargaren]] Team Captain / Cheerleader . #[[Timmerman-225|Bea Wijma]] Team Captain / Cheerleader :D #[[Van_Belzen-1|Joop van Belzen]] #[[Molier-3|B.W.J Molier]] #[[Wagenaar-226|Minke Wagenaar]] #[[Gerarden-1|Caitlin Gerarden]] #[[Overmars-10|Herman Overmars]] #[[Brouwer-891|Sytze Brouwer]] #[[Van_der_Merwede-22|Albert van der Merwede]] #[[McKay-2027|Melissa McKay]] #[[Vorenhout-1|Michel Vorenhout]] #[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] #[[Robertson-6617|W Robertson]] #[[Kraayenbrink-2|Ludwig Kraayenbrink]] #[[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] #[[Knegt-10|Gesinus Knegt]] # [[Hanson-5227|Wendy Hoffmann]] # [[Boevé-16|Niek Boevé]] # [[Mos-50|Lisa Mos]] #[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] # [[Jillson-129|Cheryl Cunningham]] # [[Van Hoof-113|Koen van Hoof]] #[[Erdoes-1|Jaki Erdoes]] #[[Bedore-50|Jenn Watts]] #[[Quigley_II-1|John Quigley]] #[[Van_Os_de_Man-40|Bertil van Os de Man]] #[[Worrall-692|Dale Worrall]] #[[Ross-4907|Mattie Gatlin]] == Deelnemers - Participants 2019== #[[Schellenberger-149|Astrid Spaargaren]] Co Team Leader. #[[Timmerman-225|Bea Wijma]] Team Captain / Cheerleader :D #[[Beers-813|Margreet Beers]] #[[Van_Veenendaal-14|Joke van Veenendaal]] # [[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] #[[Overmars-10|Herman Overmars]] #[[Oosterwal-2|Erik Oosterwal]] #[[Molier-3|B.W.J. Molier]] #[[Gerarden-1|Caitlin Gerarden]] #[[Robertson-6617|W Robertson]] #[[Goedegebuure-21 | Petra Goedegebuure]] #[[McKay-2027|Melissa McKay]] #[[Stuivenberg-2|Enoch Stuivenberg]] #[[Redford-508|Rae Santema]] #[[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] Love building those Dutch trees! #[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] #[[Weessies-1|Nancy Edwards]] #[[Johnson-61150|Carmel Johnson]] #[[Hanson-5227|Wendy Hoffman]] #[[Britton-942|Sally Shreeve]]

''Disclaimer: This challenge is no longer affiliated with any specific project or country, and is open to any participant who wishes to honor the fallen heroes of WWII.''

Liberation Day Challenge
'''Year'''	'''Total points'''	'''Participants'''	'''First Place'''	'''Second Place'''	'''Third Place'''
'''2018'''	498	8	[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] - 188	[[Stuivenberg-2|Enoch Stuivenberg]] - 75	[[Beers-813|Margreet Beers]] - 75
'''2019'''	658	12	[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] - 160	[[Van_Belzen-1|Joop van Belzen]] - 124	[[Oosterwal-2|Erik Oosterwal]] - 87
'''2020'''	709	21	[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] - 114	[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] - 103	[[Dagevos-21|Carolina (Dagevos) Millin]] - 94
'''2021'''	1437	21	[[Hollander-196|Joan Hollander]] - 362	[[Dagevos-21|Carolina (Dagevos) Millin]] - 319	[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] - 275

WALL OF LIBERATION DAY WIKITREEFAME

2020

1 May 2020 - 5 May 2020: '''[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/1027630/the-5de-drp-bevrijdingsdag-liberation-challenge-2020-closed?start=40#a_list_title The 5de!!DRP Bevrijdingsdag/Liberation Day Challenge 2020!]'''
We will be sourcing, connecting and adding sourced family of 5 (because this is our 5th liberation challenge!) brave Dutch liberators of World War II who deserve a wonderful profile at WT:
[[Beelaerts_van_Blokland-1| Jan Beelaerts van Blokland]]
[[Brandon-2113|Ellis Brandon]]
[[Broekman-157|Emmy Broekman]]
[[Jonker-691|Eddy Jonker]]
[[De_Ruijter_van_Steveninck-1|Albert de Ruijter van Steveninck]]
[[Tazelaar-11|Peter Tazelaar]]
All have a wonderful well sourced profile and are connected to WikiTree now thanks all members that joined the challenge ! Thanks everyone !
'''THE WINNERS of this challenge are:''' # [[Van Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] [https://plus.wikitree.com/Challenges/DutchRootsLibertyChallenge/User.htm Most contributions] :) # [[Van der Velde-373|Elsa L. van der Velde]] # [[Dagevos-21|Carolina E. Dagevos aka Millin]] [[Molier-3|B.W.J Mollier]] made the most connections

2019

2 May - 8 May 2019: '''[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/820453/dutch-roots-project-annual-liberation-challenge-2019-closed Dutch Roots Annual Liberation Day Challenge 2019]'''
Challenge: Voeg zoveel mogelijk familieleden met bronnen toe van en verbindt aan WikiTree drie WO-II, zeer belangrijke maar nog te onbekende verzetstrijders - Add as much as possible familly with sources and connect to main WikiTree three WWII resistance fighters:
[[Meijer-895|Truus Meijer]]
[[Van_der_Veen-533|Gerrit Jan van der Veen]]
[[Zwartendijk-1|Jan Zwartendijk]] All are connected to WikiTree now thanks all members that joined the challenge ! Thanks everyone !
'''THE WINNERS of this challenge are''':
#[[Van Hout-28|Eef van Hout]] [https://plus.wikitree.com/Challenges/DutchRootsLibertyChallenge/User.htm most contributions] :)
#[[Oosterwal-2|Erik Oosterwal]] connected the first profile to WikiTree :)
#[[Van der Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]] veelbelovend/most promising challenge talent :)

2018

5 May - 8 May 2018: '''[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/603049/dutch-roots-project-annual-liberation-challenge-please-join The Dutch Roots Project Annual Liberation Challenge - 2018 Year of Resistance; The Resistance as Example/Het Verzet als Voorbeeld]'''
Challenge: Voeg zoveel mogelijk familieleden met bronnen toe van en verbindt aan WikiTree drie WO-II, zeer belangrijke maar nog te onbekende verzetstrijders - Add as much as possible familly with sources and connect to WikiTree three WWII , very important but hardly known, resistance fighters: [[Van_Hall-11|Walraven van Hall]], [[Van_den_Bosch-220|Iman Jacob van den Bosch]] and [[Buijs-187|Jacob Buijs]].
Een fantastische opkomst, geweldige resultaten - A fantastic attendance, great results! 13 deelnemers/participations; 8 namen actief deel/8 actively participated met een totale score van bijna '''500 bronnen''' toegevoegd/with a total score of almost '''500 sources''' added.
Twee van de drie profielen/Two of the three profiles, [[Van_Hall-11|Walraven van Hall]] and [[Van_den_Bosch-220|Iman Jacob van den Bosch]] zijn connected aan onze Tree/were contected to our Tree!
'''The WINNERS:'''
# Onze geweldige winnaar met een giga hoge [https://plus.wikitree.com/Challenges/DutchRootsLibertyChallenge/User.htm score]/Our wonderful Winner with an gigantic high [https://plus.wikitree.com/Challenges/DutchRootsLibertyChallenge/User.htm score] was '''[[Van_Hout-28|Eef van Hout]]!!''' Zij voegde bijna 40% van de bronnen toe/She added almost 40% of the sources. Whoop-whoop!
# Tweede plaats/Second place: [[Stuivenberg-2|Enoch Stuivenberg]]. # Derde plaats/Third place: [[Beers-813|Margreet Beers]].
[[Timmerman-225|Bea Wijma]], our leader, connected the first of the three resitance fighters. So she is the Connection winner! ;-)
Gefeliciteerd allemaal/Congrats all! Dank voor het deelnemen en we hopen dat je er de volgende keer ook weer bij bent!/Thank you for having you and we hope to see you next time again.

2017

5-10 May 2017: '''[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/388089/join-may-dutch-roots-liberation-day-bevrijdingdag-challenge Dutch Roots Liberation-Bevrijdingsdag Challenge - Perles de résistance - Parels van het verzet ]''' Voeg familieleden en bronnen toe voor drie WO II heldinnen -''Add familly and sources to three WWII heroines'': '''[[Schaft-4|Jannetje Johanna (Jopie) "Hannie" Schaft]] and [[Nanninga-27|Nel (Nanninga) Storck]] and [[Polenaar-1|Doortje (Polenaar) Suuring]]''' en natuurlijk om ze allemaal te vrbinden met de main tree !- ''and of course to connect them all to the main Tree !''
It was great, 175 new profiles/nieuwe profielen (including the three Perles de Resistance) and we added-274 sources/bronnen (Jan's bronnen excluded) Winners were:
'''Winners were''':
* Sourcerers Sprint badge winner [[Ward-10352|Erika Ward]]
* Connection Combat Challenge badge winner [[Molier-3|B.W.J Molier]]
* Winner of our Dutch Roots Profile Improvement Trophy [[Cassel-204|Amy Selby]]
Congrats from all of us and....for all participants who didn't have one already, the Sourcerers badge. Thanks and see you all next time it was a pleasure to have you!

2016

May 2016: '''[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/247402/dutch_roots_challenge-liberation-bevrijdingsdag-challenge Liberation Day/Bevrijdingsdag Challenge]'''. Op zoek naar [[Hazelhoff_Roelfzema-1|Soldaat van Oranje!]] Winner was [[Terink-1| Jan Terink]]!!!

WALL OF DUTCH ROOTS WIKITREEFAME

Mini Challenges of 2020

''30 December 2019 - 6 January 2020'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/961796/hoera-dutch-roots-project-challenge-from-30-till-please-join '''Dutch Roots Mapping Cartographers Challenge''']
Challenge: Voeg vier belangrijke pioniers van de kartografie en hun families toe aan WikiTree. -The goal is to add four important pioneers of Cartography and their family to WikiTree:
[[Platevoet-9|Petrus Plancijus]]
[[De_Kremer-1|Gerardus Mercator]]
[[De_Hondt-28|Jodocus Hondius]]
[[Blaeu-1|Willem Jansz Blaeu]] and on special request of
[[Wagenaar-226|Minke Wagenaar]]:
[[Schotanus-44|Bernardus Schotanus]]. All are connected to WikiTree now thanks all members that joined the challenge ! Thanks everyone !
'''THE WINNERS of this challenge are''':
#[[Goedegebuure-21|Petra Goedegebuure]] [https://plus.wikitree.com/Challenges/DutchRootsMappingCartographers/20191230/User.htm most contributions] :)
#[[Van_der_Velde-373|Elsa van der Velde]]
#[[Beunis-2|Filip Beunis]]. Speciale vermelding voor het connecten van de laatste carthograaf/special mention for connecting the last cartographer:
[[Vermeulen-1074|Willem Vermeulen]]

Mini Challenges of 2019

Er waren in 2019 geen mini challenges, alleen de [[Space:Archive_Liberation_Day_Challenge|Jaarlijkse Bevrijdingsdag challenge]]. There were no mini challenges in 2019, just the [[Space:Archive_Liberation_Day_Challenge|Annual Liberation Day challenge]]

Mini Challenges of 2018

''27 March - 2 April 2018'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/583485/de-drp-the-drp-challenge-maart-march-2018-starts-now?show=583485#q583485 '''Koninklijke Hoogovens Hotemetoten Challenge - Royal Hoogovens Hotshots Challenge''']
Our wonderful Winner was [[Stuivenberg-2|Enoch Stuivenberg]] and a special thanks and [https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/587861 Wonderful Supertrooper award] for [[Cassel-204|Amy Selby]]!

Mini Challenges of 2017

''February 2017'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/345666/wikilove-dutch-roots-challenge-3-12-february-2017 '''Wikilove Dutch Roots Challenge 3-12 February 2017''']
'''358''' sources and '''191''' new family members added and .. the family connected in just one week
# Winner Connection badge: [[Van Belzen-1|Joop van Belzen-1]] connection Dennis [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special%3AUnconnected&order=&viewAll=0&privacy=0&orphans=0&s=Ling Ling connected] on 15:38, 3 February 2017 (EST)
#Winner Sourcerers Challenge [[Van Belzen-1|Joop van Belzen]] 101 Sources added.
#Winner Demolition badge [[Panek-67|Charlie Panek]] 53 new profiles added
#Winner Dutch Roots Challenge badge {{NetherlandsChallenge Winner|date=February 2017}} [[Terink-1|Jan Terink]]
And....for all participants who didn't have one already, the Sourcerers badge. Congrats and see you all next time it was a pleasure .... as always :D

Mini Challenges of 2016

''March 2016'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/227213/challenge-dutch_roots-starts-now '''Dutch Roots Connection Challenge'''] all [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special:Unconnected&order=dateup&s=AALFS&viewAll=1&privacy=1 Aalfs connected]'''
'''March 2016 Challenge Winner''' was [[Van_Helsdingen-43|Abm Helsdingen]]!!
''April 2016'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/237075/the-2nd-dutch_roots-challenge-starts-now?show=237462#c237462''' Dutch Roots Connection Challenge'''] All [https://www.wikitree.com/index.php?title=Special%3AUnconnected&order=&viewAll=0&privacy=0&orphans=0&s=Sohier+ Sohier connected]
'''April 2016 Challenge Winner''' was [[Molier-3|B.W.J Molier]]!!
''Extra April 2016'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/245170/extra-kings-day-dutch_roots-challenge '''Dutch Roots KING's DAY sourcerer challenge''']
Our [[Los-21| Princess Mabel]] got in 4 days from [https://www.wikitree.com/treewidget/Los-21/9 '''0! to 81!!'''] sourced ancestors.
'''April 2016 Challenge Winner''' was [[Ton-7|Rob Ton]]!!!
''September 2016'':
[https://www.wikitree.com/g2g/291130/the-5th-dutch_roots_challenge-starts-now-have-fun- '''Late Summer Monsterchallenge''']
Sorting/uitzoeken & sourcing/van bronnen voorzien in the/de Jungle van alle [[Space:Dutch_Roots_Challenge_workspace|Monsters]]!

: ''Because Ancestry.com is closing down its message boards in 2023, and because there is a backlog of archiving requests at the WayBack machine at archive.org, I am copying here pertinent threads from Ancestry.com. I have edited the formatting for readability.'' [[Smith-32867|Smith-32867]] 14:18, 28 April 2023 (UTC) ---- == The Sizemores (DNA) == The following was originally posted at: https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.sizemore/2726?viewType=FLAT_VIEW Ancestry.com Message Boards - Surname SIZEMORE Thread: The Sizemores JYKing Posted: 17 Feb 2011 9:41 PM When the Sizemore DNA project was started in 2002, our goal was to see if we could determine which of the early 1730s & 40s recorded VA Sizemore men fathered each of the *documented* lines of the Sizemore men b. 1748-50s. The numerous records show these men were considered *white* by that time period. Nothing has been found in the genealogical *records*, to date, that name the wives, parents, or siblings of these men! In a 1747 VA record, Margery is stated as being the mother of a George (b.1726 or earlier). In 1753 Henry Sizemore & Elizabeth Rhodes [sic; the charge does not include her maiden name] were cited for "living in adultery". Genealogical research indicates The Most *Recent* Common Ancestor (TMRCA) for *some* of the participants in our largest hg Q group are: : Ephraim Sizemore b. 1748 d. 1836 Spartanburg Co., SC : George "All" Sizemore b. 1750s d. 1833 Clay Co., KY : George Sizemore b. 1750s d. aft. 1820 lived in Ashe Co., NC : George Sizemore b. 1750s d. bef. June 3, 1793 in then Barnwell Co., SC : Edward Sizemore b. ? d. 1810 Hawkins Co., TN Because these lines are so closely related genetically, we have *not* been able to determine who the father was of each of the above lines. It's also obvious that 3 different George Sizemores, born in the same time period, did not have the same father! And all of these families were considered white. The stb wives of George "All", George of Ashe Co., NC, and Owen of Hawkins Co., TN have also been mtDNA tested. None of them have a direct line female Amerindian ancestor. We have not tested a direct line male descendant of this Owen Sizemore b.1755 d.1837. However, one of his daughters was Lydia Sizemore (1784-1855) md. George Sizemore (1773-1859). George's parents are presently unknown, but a male descendant has been tested and is in our largest hg Q group. : George & Lydia's daughter Aggy Sizemore (1803-aft. 1883) md. Zachariah Minor in 1824. George & Lydia's son Owen Sizemore (1820-d. in CW) md. Elizabeth Goins in 1856. This is the *earliest known* Sizemore connection to any of the Melungeon families! For additional info see Jack Goins' site: http://www.jgoins.com/ The Y-DNA markers for our largest hg Q group are unique. This indicates The Most *Ancient* Common Ancestor (TMACA) for *all of the participants* is the same early to mid 1600s VA male Amerindian. This is now close to 400 yrs. ago (14 to 16 generations), and there is *nothing in any of the records* that indicates he was Cherokee! Neither was there ever a *full blood Sizemore* either male of female. So, the son of the 14th to 16th generation Amerindian male was 1/2 blood. In the proceeding generations, of the direct male line, the inherited percentage of the TMACA Amerindian blood is considerably reduced. We also have another small hg Q group that does not match the larger group. Therefore they have a different *male Amerindian* ancestor. The earliest *documented* ancestor is William Sizemore b. 1750s md Catherine Adams and died aft. 1830 in Stokes Co., NC, and they were considered a white family. William's parents are ttb the William & Elizabeth Sizemore of Mecklenburg Co., VA records. The descendants of John of Halifax Co., VA (b.1743) do *not* have the male Amerindian markers. The descendants of his *well genealogically documented* eldest son Daniel, do *not* match the descendants of the other sons of this John, nor do they have the male Amerindian markers. The descendants of the well *documented* half blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore (abt. 1765-1848) of AL do *not* have the male Amerindian markers. His parents are presently unknown. The direct female line of his half blood Creek Indian wife, Mary "Polly" Bailey, has not been mtDNA tested. There are other known Sizemore lines that have not been tested. I do hope this helps to clear up some of the online misinformation regarding the origins of the Sizemores and their family lines. Joy Admin of the Sizemore DNA project: * http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html * Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html * Up to day DNA results: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA * The hg Q project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/yDNA_Q/default.aspx * The Native American Q project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Amerind%20Y/default.aspx ---- Re: The Sizemores BettyFinger54 Replies: 9 Posted: 18 Feb 2011 12:25 PM Hi Joy, I have only one question. Why are you sertain that for the hg Q group "The Most *Ancient* Common Ancestor (TMACA) for *all of the participants* is the same **early to mid 1600s VA** male"? Why not 1700's? –Betty ---- Re: The Sizemores BettyFinger54 Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Feb 2011 1:22 PM I was going to ask if there's any way to edit a post to correct errors (such as the word "sertain" in my previous message!), but I see that I should click on preview first. Between my vision handicap and my lack of typing skills, I tend to make careless mistakes. Sorry. –Betty ---- Re: The Sizemores JYKing Replies: 7 Posted: 18 Feb 2011 1:44 PM In the early 1600s VA settlement, Indian/White marriages were totally acceptable, and even encouraged. However, things changed dramatically within the 1690-1712 period when we find Margery Sizemore in the Henrico (present Chesterfield) Co., VA record. April 1691- ACT XVI. An act for suppressing outlying slaves. The legislators detailed a systematic plan to gather a force of men to recapture "outlying slaves" in this statute. This document also contains the first legal restriction on the manumission of slaves. The law required a master to transport an emancipated slave out of the colony within six months. In addition, partners in an interracial marriage could not stay in Virginia more than three months after they wed. Lawmakers did not want white women to bear mulatto children because the free black population would increase. They decided to punish white women who gave birth to mulattos and to require a longer term of servitude (until the age of thirty) for these children than they did for poor orphans or illegitimate white boys (until the age of twenty-one) and girls (until the age of eighteen). Finally, in this law, the General Assembly first used the term "white" as an additional way to legally separate the English and Europeans from Africans and Native Americans. : Source: Hening, ed., The Statutes at Large, vol. 3, pp. 86-88. October 1705- CHAP. IV. An act declaring who shall not bear office in this country. (The statute contains the first definition of a mulatto in Virginia's laws.) "Be it enacted and declared, and it is hereby enacted and declared, That the child of an Indian and the child, grand child, or great grand child, of a negro shall be deemed, accounted, held and taken to be a mulatto." : Source: Hening, ed., The Statutes at Large, vol. 3, pp. 250-251, 252. October 1705- CHAP. XLIX. An act concerning Servants and Slaves. XIX. "And for a further prevention of that abominable mixture and spurious issue, which hereafter may increase in this her majesty's colony and dominion, as well by English, and other white men and women intermarrying with negroes or mulattos, as by their unlawful coition with them, Be it enacted, by the authority aforesaid, and it is hereby enacted, That whatsoever English, or other white man or woman, being free, shall intermarry with a negro or mulatto man or woman, bond or free, shall, by judgment of the county court, be committed to prison, and there remain, during the space of six months, without bail or mainprize; and shall forfeit and pay ten pounds current money of Virginia, to the use of the parish, as aforesaid. XX. And be it further enacted, That no minister of the church of England, or other minister, or person whatsoever, within this colony and dominion, shall hereafter wittingly presume to marry a white man with a negro or mulatto woman; or to marry a white woman with a negro or mulatto man, upon pain of forfeiting and paying, for every such marriage the sum of ten thousand pounds of tobacco; one half to our sovereign lady the Queen, her heirs and successors, for and towards the support of the government, and the contingent charges thereof; and the other half to the informer; To be recovered, with costs, by action of debt, bill, plaint, or information, in any court of record within this her majesty's colony and dominion, wherein no essoin, protection, or wager of law, shall be allowed." : Source: Hening, ed., The Statutes at Large, vol. 3, pp. 447-462. You'll find the complete entries here: http://vagenweb.org/hening Joy ---- Re: The Sizemores BettyFinger54 Replies: 6 Posted: 18 Feb 2011 3:08 PM Surnames: Sizemore Very interesting, and informative! Thank you. So not only would the Native American have to *look* White, he/she would also have to dress and act like the English. Not likely to happen. So any union between White & Indian, or Mulatto, after that Act, would have been done in secret and would have to live separate from the English colonies. Since they were not allowed to marry, that could have been the reason that in 1753 Henry Sizemore & Elizabeth Rhodes were cited for "living in adultery". I just want to insert a thought here that I've been wanting to share. Many years ago I had a landlord who was *FULL-BLOOD* Cherokee Indian. She had the paperwork to prove it and was recognized as such by the US government. To look at her, you would never have known. she was AS WHITE AS I AM and she said her tribe was also fair-skinned. Of course, I realize that by 1722, the Cherokee Nation was actually a *LEAGUE* of 6 Nations, so they were already mixed-blood, but it's interesting that this FULL-BLOOD Cherokee woman was white. Thanks, –Betty ---- Re: The Sizemores JYKing Replies: 5 Posted: 18 Feb 2011 3:40 PM Betty, Only marriages performed by the minister of the established church were considered valid. Marriages outside the Episcopal Church were not recognized and the couple was considered "living in adultery". Joy ---- Re: The Sizemores BettyFinger54 Replies: 4 Posted: 28 Jan 2013 1:13 PM Thanks Joy. Would love to see the source material on this. Can you scan it in and post it? Or maybe just tell me where to find it? Thanks, –Betty ---- Re: The Sizemores michellecenters2002 Replies: 1 Posted: 28 Jan 2013 2:24 PM Betty, Just to let you know she [Joy King] is hypothesizing that the Sizemores that were here in the 1600's namely William and Martha are the progenitors of our Sizemores. However, she has never been able to prove that they were even married let alone related to one another. And she is basing her assumption on one document and that is the census that was taken after the massacre of 1622, that is the only document where the two names appear together on the same page. For the record if you will go back on another thread that was posted here in the Sizemore board I posted records showing that Martha came over with Rev. Mr. Alexander Whitaker and Sir Thomas Dale in 1611. There is no record of when the William Sizemore came over although he would have to have been in the new colony for at least 3 years to get the 100 acres as an ancient planter before Sir Thomas Dale left in 1619, so it is safe to assume he was here by 1616. There are no records to date that William was married or had children. Same for Martha as she was a housekeeper for the Reverand. Martha testified in two court cases one in where she sued for slander after being called a whore. If she and William were married he would have been compelled to testify in court. No such occured. Second she testified again in another case about corn crops owed to a ship captain by the Rev. Whitaker's estate. She was never called Lady, Mrs. by anyone in the records. So, to say that our Sizemore's have to come from the 1600's is making a wide assumption based not on evidence but on conjecture. And to assume that the later Sizemore's were in anyway related to these two is also a large leap when as she said they have no documents showing parentage, siblings etc... However, we do know that another Sizemore did come to the colonies and he was also a William who was married to a Martha but that wasn't until the 1700's. The male native american dna could have occured at any time in through the years. We don't know how or where it occured, all we know is it did. It resulted in these men being closely related, so close it makes you wonder if by chance their fathers were brothers thereby making them cousins. Who knows??? Without documented proof we can only guess. And in genealogy you don't put guesses out there as gospel. Which is what has happened with the fact that Joy keeps spouting that the William and Martha of the 1600's have to be the ONES! ---- Re: The Sizemores BettyFinger54 Replies: 0 Posted: 28 Jan 2013 3:49 PM Hi Michelle, I was just asking Joy about the source material for how marriages in general were determined legal at the time, but I appreciate all your added information. Will email you my comments. Thanks, Betty ---- Re: The Sizemores JYKing Replies: 1 Posted: 28 Jan 2013 5:41 PM Betty, I’ve known this for many years, but you can read it online at: http://www.lva.virginia.gov/public/guides/Research_Note_26.pdf Ministers’ Returns: prior to 1780 marriages could only be performed legally in Virginia by ministers of the Church of England, who were required to record marriages in the parish register. Joy ---- JYKing Replies: 0 Posted: 06 Feb 2013 6:40 AM February 02, 2013 What's New on Cyndi's List? http://www.cyndislist.com/whatsnew/02-02-13/ Copyright (c) 2013 by Cyndi Howells. All rights reserved. URL : http://books.google.com/books?id=klMiAAAAMAAJ TITLE : American marriage laws in their social aspects DESCRIPTION : A digest by Fred Smith Hall, Elisabeth W. Brooke, published 1919. Includes a breakdown of marriage laws by topic and by state. Joy == Sizemores in Alabama == JYKing Replies: 0 Posted: 21 May 2012 9:04 AM The documented half Creek Sizemore family did own slaves, however, there was another Sizemore family closer to Fayette Co., AL that also apparently owned a few slaves as well. In addition, there was a free born Mulatto Sizemore family in Pickens Co., SC in this time frame. Please contact me at joyk@sc.rr.com for additional info. Joy Admin of the Sizemore surname DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/DNAindex.html ---- Re: Sizemore in Alabama montanapets Replies: 2 Posted: 21 May 2012 3:20 AM Surnames: Sizemore, Sisemore Hi I'm looking for slave information on the Alabama Sizemore's. One of the trees I am working on is a former slave who lists her maiden name as Mary Francis Sizemore. She is listed as mulatto. I'm hoping to identify who her slaveholder was. In 1870 she appears in Fayette Co. In the 1866 colored people census there is a Mary Brock (married name) in Fayette. In 1880 she is in Lamar and lives there until her death in 1932. Her death cert says b. 1835. Her tombstone says 1836 and the 1900 says 1946. I don't see any land sales in Fayette to a Sizemore but there are several in Lamar. If anyone has any info that would help connect Mary Francis Sizemore to a slaveholder, would love to hear from you. ---- Re: Sizemore in Alabama JYKing Replies: 0 Posted: 21 May 2012 9:04 AM The documented half Creek Sizemore family did own slaves, however, there was another Sizemore family closer to Fayette Co., AL that also apparently owned a few slaves as well. In addition, there was a free born Mulatto Sizemore family in Pickens Co., SC in this time frame. Please contact me at joyk@sc.rr.com for additional info. Joy Admin of the Sizemore surname DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/DNAindex.html ---- Re: Sizemore in Alabama SandiPerry61 Replies: 0 Posted: 24 May 2012 12:11 PM Hi..one thing you might consider is that MANY times people that were Native American Indian were listed as "mulatto" on censuses..so finding the name as you did may or may not indicate that the person was actually as listed..Hope you find what you seek.. ---- == Rhoda Sizemore and Red Bird == Originally posted at https://www.ancestry.com/boards/localities.northam.usa.special.secreeks/150.156.538.1.7.1 Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Sep 2009 11:03 AM Classification: Query Geri, Y-DNA testing has *proven* Rhoda's sons were *not fathered by a Red Bird*. See my 21 Dec 2004 posting in this thread. The male descendants of George "All" of KY are a match to other Sizemore lines, which shows this *male American Indian ancestry* did *not* start with his birth in the 1750s, but most likely goes back to early 1600s VA. http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Additionally, the results for two direct line descendants of Arthur *prove* he does *not* have the same male genetic ancestry as the other Sizemores, and there is absolutely nothing in the genealogical records that tie him to those lines either. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA/default.aspx Click on the Y-DNA Results button on the left side of the page. As for the Dickey Diaries, through DNA results we have been able to *disprove* a lot of this Sizemore misinformation, as I stated above. In addition, mtDNA results from direct line female descendants of Agnes (Shepherd) Sizemore show there is *no* female American Indian ancestry in her line. http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/mtDNAindex.html Y-DNA results have also *proven* the Sizemore surname was *not* changed from the surname Williams, as stated in the diary. Hope this helps to clear up some things for you, Joy Admin. of the Sizemore DNA project http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Change to Thread View 1 of 16 Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY cawny Replies: 13 Posted: 20 Dec 2004 4:38 PM Classification: Query I am a Sizemore descendant and from the info I have, Chief Red Bird was not married to,but did have two children with Rhoda Sizemore (Daughter of George "All" Sizemore and Agnes "Aggy" Shepherd "Cornett. One of the children was Russell or "Ruck" Sizemore and I can't remember the name of the other one right now.Hope this helps. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing Replies: 12 Posted: 20 Dec 2004 8:07 PM Classification: Query Surnames: SIZEMORE Y-DNA results from a descendant of John SIZEMORE (Rhoda's oldest said to be son) show his father was a SIZEMORE. Y-DNA results from *two* descendants of Russell SIZEMORE (also said to be a son of Rhoda) match the BEGLEY surname DNA markers. For the test results of the SIZEMORE project see: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~craingen/DNAindex.html For the test results of the BEGLEY project see: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/BegleySurnameResearch/#title We also have DNA results for a descendant of the half-blood Creek Indian ARTHUR SIZEMORE. These results *do not* match the SIZEMORE markers which indicates his Creek blood came from his mother. We are in need of another male descendant of Arthur to test and *confirm* the present markers for that line. If anyone knows of a proven male descendant, please let us know! Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY savannhkatz ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 01 Apr 2005 1:12 PM Classification: Query I can be reached at savannahkatz@peoplepc.com. I look forward to talking with you. I have been away for a while so I'll have to look back at my records. I have been told that the sizemore/brock tree is full of errors so I would really like to get up with you and find out whats what!!! Thanks, renae Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY TraciVanEcko ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:22 PM Classification: Query Edited: 28 Jun 2005 10:24 PM Hi Everyone, I am just getting back on ancestry.com and would love to share all information regarding our relatives. Christopher (Kit) Sizemore is my GGG grandfather and George All Sizemore is my GGGGGG grandfather. My grandmother is a living Sizemore. There is a Sizemore family reunion this weekend in Oklahoma. I would love to share any information. I knew we had a Chief for a relative but the name was never confirmed so I am happy to see it is Chief Red Bird. I still am trying to figure out where he exactly falls into my tree. You can reach me anytime by emailing me at sugarteababy@sbcglobal.net I look forward to hearing from you all. Traci Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY glendasue28 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 22 Oct 2007 3:44 PM Classification: Query what information are you looking for???????????? Re: Dixon Bailey CarmenLS_SmalleyGarcia ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Sep 2009 7:36 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Bailey/Sizemore/Padgett/Burdick/Smelley Dixon was born in Autossee, died at Ft. Mims 8/30/13 Clake Co AL, all i've found about his wife is that she is said to be the daughter of Sohpia McGillvray and Benjamin Durant. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY Johnson70 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 16 Sep 2009 7:47 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Rec Bird Sixemore Red Bird also married a woman by name of Smith but he like The sound of Sizemore so he took it for his name whilc living with Rhoda. Would love to know the link to Rev. Dickey and anything else you can tell me on Red Bird. Are there any pictures of him? Thank you so much. Geri Sizemore Johnson onekoolmeme@ymail.com Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Sep 2009 11:03 AM Classification: Query Geri, Y-DNA testing has *proven* Rhoda's sons were *not fathered by a Red Bird*. See my 21 Dec 2004 posting in this thread. The male descendants of George "All" of KY are a match to other Sizemore lines, which shows this *male American Indian ancestry* did *not* start with his birth in the 1750s, but most likely goes back to early 1600s VA. http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Additionally, the results for two direct line descendants of Arthur *prove* he does *not* have the same male genetic ancestry as the other Sizemores, and there is absolutely nothing in the genealogical records that tie him to those lines either. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA/default.aspx Click on the Y-DNA Results button on the left side of the page. As for the Dickey Diaries, through DNA results we have been able to *disprove* a lot of this Sizemore misinformation, as I stated above. In addition, mtDNA results from direct line female descendants of Agnes (Shepherd) Sizemore show there is *no* female American Indian ancestry in her line. http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/mtDNAindex.html Y-DNA results have also *proven* the Sizemore surname was *not* changed from the surname Williams, as stated in the diary. Hope this helps to clear up some things for you, Joy Admin. of the Sizemore DNA project http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore rogerday77 ( View Posts ) Replies: 11 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:23 AM Classification: Query My name is Karen Evans Day. I too, am a desendant of George "All Chief" Sizemore. I have many male cousins that would be direct desendants of Arthur Sizemore, not sure whether or not they would be interested in all this, but my main reason for writting is to see if there is anymore info you can give on the Sizemore "indian" history. Thanks so much!!! Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore mvhayv ( View Posts ) Replies: 6 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:31 AM Classification: Query JOIN THIS GROUP: ncnr@yahoogroups.com IT HAS EXTENSIVE AND ACCURATE RESEARCH FINDINGS TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:32 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Hi Karen, I am a direct descendant of Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore. As Joy King pointed out in the previous post, Arthur was not a descendant of George All, and DNA has shown no connection to any of the other known Sizemore lines to date. As I have repeated many, many, many times, no documentation has been located as to Arthur Sizemore's birthplace, and the earliest mention of him is 1810 in south Alabama. If you have later generations that prove back to Arthur Sizemore,Creek Indian, Clarke/Monroe/Baldwin Cos., AL, then we are connected and I would be more than happy to share our research. Evelyn Sizemore Leslie Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore mvhayv ( View Posts ) Replies: 5 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:37 AM Classification: Query fROM RON BLEVINS: 1. Joy King has always dealt in facts, not theory. Thus when she provides Sizemore information, you can just about take it to the bank. 2. There are DNA participants of three different Sizemore men named George who were all born close to 1750 and whose DNA indicates a very strong probability that the three George's were closely related. These three George's are: * George Sizemore who went to South Carolina * George Sizemore (my ancestor) who married Anna Hart and was the father of Catherine Hart, Sally Osborne, Lydia Blevins, Elizabeth Stamper, Edward B. Sizemore b. 1788, Owen Sizemore born 1793 and George J. Sizemore born 1797. A majority of the 2,200 Sizemore related ECA's were filed by descendants of this George, with most of the ECA's incorrectly referring to him as Ned or Old Ned. It is very possible that George's father was named Edward, thus possibly Ned. George had a brother Owen and a probable older brother Edward, both of whom moved to Hawkins Co, TN. Owen, born ca. 1755, moved from Ashe Co, NC to Hawkins, TN about 1802 while probable older brother Edward was in Hawkins County by 1790. George, Owen and Edward were Tories in the Revolution. Shortly after signing an oath of allegiance in Virginia they are found in Loyalist pay records in SC. Older brother Edward is possibly the father of: * George All Sizemore born ca. 1750/55 who moved from Hawkins Co, TN to Clay Co, KY shortly after 1800. There is circumstantial evidence that this George and Edward are the same George and Edward who appear in records of Tryon Co, NC 1771-1778. George Sizemore was issued letters of administration on the estate of William Shepherd in Tryon County in January 1772. George All Sizemore was purportedly married to Agnes Shepherd. The manuscript that I have worked on "off and on" since 1970 is tentatively titled "Indian Ned Sizemore-the Legend and the Legacy". In a presentation at the Ashe Co, NC Heritage Festival several years ago, I made the points contrary to legend that: 1. Ned Sizemore was not a chief as claimed in some ECA's 2. Ned Sizemore was not Cherokee as the mixed blood in the Sizemore family occurred at least 20 years or perhaps much more before the Sizemores were within 200 miles of Cherokee Territory 3. Ned Sizemore as claimed in hundreds of ECA's was not even Ned, he was George 4. Ned Sizemore was not primarily Native American. The children from whom the ECA claims were made all married white, were land owners and some were church members, not something our WASP ancestors would have been likely to accept for a full blood Indian. 5. There is little question that there is mixed blood in the Sizemore family, but the derivation and timing of that mixed blood has not been proved. 6. The first record I have located of mixed blood in the Sizemore family is in a 1753 Orange Co, NC record that reads in part "20 Sep. 1753 - Mary Torrington petitions this court praying that an orphan female child, called Sarah Torrington taken from her in a forcible manner by a certain Ephraim Sizemore, a mulatto & be bound to Miles Parker" RLB an Ephraim Sizemore resided close to Sizemores named Edward, George, William, Henry, etc. in 1740's Halifax Co, VA Enough for now. It is easy to conclude that more folks want to subscribe to the Sizemore legend that to the few facts that are difficult to document. Ron Blevins Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:01 PM Classification: Query For the earliest *records* associated with the Sizemores, please see: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:26 PM Classification: Query There is nothing in any of the *records* found, to date, that names the parents or siblings of George Sizemore of Ashe Co., NC, George "All" Sizemore of KY, earliest George Sizemore of SC, or Edward Sizemore of Hawkins Co., TN! Also, a mailing list for Sizemore research has been in existence since 1999: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/SIZEMORE/ Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 1:40 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Well said, Ron. I might also add on the "Old Ned" information that the Sizemore ECA's that fell into the "Creek Claimants" group were asked specifically if they were related to or knew anything at all about Old Ned and they replied they had never heard of him. They claimed their Creek ancestry from Arthur Sizemore, Weatherfords, Stiggins, Moniacs, Powells, Tarvins and every other Creek Indian in south Alabama, but none ever mentioned the Sizemores named in the Cherokee applications. I just cannot for the life of me understand why some keep joining the Creek Sizemores in south Alabama to the Cherokees. Evelyn Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore myrasizemore50 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 14 Nov 2009 5:08 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bowling/Asher/ Thank you so much for this posting. How clearly you have laid out the facts that DNA and Joy King's hard work have uncovered, confirming all of my best-guessed thoughts on our family history going back into the 1600s. Migration patterns are so interesting as well as heritage. Much can be gathered from migration patterns, I believe, along with family lines' proximity as we can "see" our people traveling into our mountains. I feel it can go far to fill in gaps - in terms of reasonable considerations. I am descended through 3 of George All and Agnes Sizemore's children; John Rockhouse, Susan and Rhoda. My Mattinglys mingle John Rockhouse and Susan down to through my g-grandmother, Nancy Mattingly, married to g-grandfather, Elhanon Sizemore b: 1858 - Elhanon was the youngest son born to Willis Sizemore, who was a son of Rhoda Sizemore by an unknown Combs man. Elhanon's mother was Nancy Murphy Collett - daughter of Elhannon Murphy b: Abt. 1795 and an unknown Collett girl (according to our family chart-maker from years ago, Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore b: 1911 who lived his life with our people there in the Redbird River Region). Also my Ashers come together with the marriage of my paternal grandparents, Rev. B.A. and Sarah Slusher/Knuckles Sizemore. My double Bowling family line also comes down also through my Mattinglys to Nancy and Elhannon to Grandfather B.A. b: 1882 to my father, Ray Sizemore b: 1921. Again, thank you. Myra Hyden/Ledington Sizemore Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:24 PM Classification: Query no cheif red bird was married to rhoda sizemore. the only families that are in relation to Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. I am a sizemore, he was my like 8th grandpa Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:38 PM Classification: Query I am a sizemore and I have all my information correct, my grandma is Goldia Sizemore married to Preston Brackie Combs. Goldia's great,great,great,great grandpa is cheif red bird. cheif was married to rhoda and the other son beside russle that no body seems to know about is William "Willis" combs Sizemore. The only 2 families that are connected to Cheif Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Jan 2010 11:28 AM Classification: Query Please see the Sizemore DNA results for *proof* of the genetic ancestry of Rhoda's stb sons. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Her stb son John was fathered by a SIZEMORE, Russell was fathered by a BEGLEY, Willis Combs was fathered by a BEGLEY. Joy http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore eric4617 ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 29 Jun 2010 8:54 PM Classification: Query my name is eric sizemore my grandparents were Claude and Annie sizemore who came to California from Arkansas, I am interested in knowing more about my heritage, as my Grandfather always said we were descendants of Chief Redbird Sizemore My Grandparents were the greatest people I ever had the privelege to know ,and I have always wanted too know more about my ancestors.I am just starting my research!and dont have much as of yet! Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:32 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Hi Karen, I am a direct descendant of Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore. As Joy King pointed out in the previous post, Arthur was not a descendant of George All, and DNA has shown no connection to any of the other known Sizemore lines to date. As I have repeated many, many, many times, no documentation has been located as to Arthur Sizemore's birthplace, and the earliest mention of him is 1810 in south Alabama. If you have later generations that prove back to Arthur Sizemore,Creek Indian, Clarke/Monroe/Baldwin Cos., AL, then we are connected and I would be more than happy to share our research. Evelyn Sizemore Leslie Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore mvhayv ( View Posts ) Replies: 5 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:37 AM Classification: Query fROM RON BLEVINS: 1. Joy King has always dealt in facts, not theory. Thus when she provides Sizemore information, you can just about take it to the bank. 2. There are DNA participants of three different Sizemore men named George who were all born close to 1750 and whose DNA indicates a very strong probability that the three George's were closely related. These three George's are: * George Sizemore who went to South Carolina * George Sizemore (my ancestor) who married Anna Hart and was the father of Catherine Hart, Sally Osborne, Lydia Blevins, Elizabeth Stamper, Edward B. Sizemore b. 1788, Owen Sizemore born 1793 and George J. Sizemore born 1797. A majority of the 2,200 Sizemore related ECA's were filed by descendants of this George, with most of the ECA's incorrectly referring to him as Ned or Old Ned. It is very possible that George's father was named Edward, thus possibly Ned. George had a brother Owen and a probable older brother Edward, both of whom moved to Hawkins Co, TN. Owen, born ca. 1755, moved from Ashe Co, NC to Hawkins, TN about 1802 while probable older brother Edward was in Hawkins County by 1790. George, Owen and Edward were Tories in the Revolution. Shortly after signing an oath of allegiance in Virginia they are found in Loyalist pay records in SC. Older brother Edward is possibly the father of: * George All Sizemore born ca. 1750/55 who moved from Hawkins Co, TN to Clay Co, KY shortly after 1800. There is circumstantial evidence that this George and Edward are the same George and Edward who appear in records of Tryon Co, NC 1771-1778. George Sizemore was issued letters of administration on the estate of William Shepherd in Tryon County in January 1772. George All Sizemore was purportedly married to Agnes Shepherd. The manuscript that I have worked on "off and on" since 1970 is tentatively titled "Indian Ned Sizemore-the Legend and the Legacy". In a presentation at the Ashe Co, NC Heritage Festival several years ago, I made the points contrary to legend that: 1. Ned Sizemore was not a chief as claimed in some ECA's 2. Ned Sizemore was not Cherokee as the mixed blood in the Sizemore family occurred at least 20 years or perhaps much more before the Sizemores were within 200 miles of Cherokee Territory 3. Ned Sizemore as claimed in hundreds of ECA's was not even Ned, he was George 4. Ned Sizemore was not primarily Native American. The children from whom the ECA claims were made all married white, were land owners and some were church members, not something our WASP ancestors would have been likely to accept for a full blood Indian. 5. There is little question that there is mixed blood in the Sizemore family, but the derivation and timing of that mixed blood has not been proved. 6. The first record I have located of mixed blood in the Sizemore family is in a 1753 Orange Co, NC record that reads in part "20 Sep. 1753 - Mary Torrington petitions this court praying that an orphan female child, called Sarah Torrington taken from her in a forcible manner by a certain Ephraim Sizemore, a mulatto & be bound to Miles Parker" RLB an Ephraim Sizemore resided close to Sizemores named Edward, George, William, Henry, etc. in 1740's Halifax Co, VA Enough for now. It is easy to conclude that more folks want to subscribe to the Sizemore legend that to the few facts that are difficult to document. Ron Blevins Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:01 PM Classification: Query For the earliest *records* associated with the Sizemores, please see: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:26 PM Classification: Query There is nothing in any of the *records* found, to date, that names the parents or siblings of George Sizemore of Ashe Co., NC, George "All" Sizemore of KY, earliest George Sizemore of SC, or Edward Sizemore of Hawkins Co., TN! Also, a mailing list for Sizemore research has been in existence since 1999: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/SIZEMORE/ Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 1:40 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Well said, Ron. I might also add on the "Old Ned" information that the Sizemore ECA's that fell into the "Creek Claimants" group were asked specifically if they were related to or knew anything at all about Old Ned and they replied they had never heard of him. They claimed their Creek ancestry from Arthur Sizemore, Weatherfords, Stiggins, Moniacs, Powells, Tarvins and every other Creek Indian in south Alabama, but none ever mentioned the Sizemores named in the Cherokee applications. I just cannot for the life of me understand why some keep joining the Creek Sizemores in south Alabama to the Cherokees. Evelyn Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore myrasizemore50 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 14 Nov 2009 5:08 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bowling/Asher/ Thank you so much for this posting. How clearly you have laid out the facts that DNA and Joy King's hard work have uncovered, confirming all of my best-guessed thoughts on our family history going back into the 1600s. Migration patterns are so interesting as well as heritage. Much can be gathered from migration patterns, I believe, along with family lines' proximity as we can "see" our people traveling into our mountains. I feel it can go far to fill in gaps - in terms of reasonable considerations. I am descended through 3 of George All and Agnes Sizemore's children; John Rockhouse, Susan and Rhoda. My Mattinglys mingle John Rockhouse and Susan down to through my g-grandmother, Nancy Mattingly, married to g-grandfather, Elhanon Sizemore b: 1858 - Elhanon was the youngest son born to Willis Sizemore, who was a son of Rhoda Sizemore by an unknown Combs man. Elhanon's mother was Nancy Murphy Collett - daughter of Elhannon Murphy b: Abt. 1795 and an unknown Collett girl (according to our family chart-maker from years ago, Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore b: 1911 who lived his life with our people there in the Redbird River Region). Also my Ashers come together with the marriage of my paternal grandparents, Rev. B.A. and Sarah Slusher/Knuckles Sizemore. My double Bowling family line also comes down also through my Mattinglys to Nancy and Elhannon to Grandfather B.A. b: 1882 to my father, Ray Sizemore b: 1921. Again, thank you. Myra Hyden/Ledington Sizemore Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:24 PM Classification: Query no cheif red bird was married to rhoda sizemore. the only families that are in relation to Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. I am a sizemore, he was my like 8th grandpa Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:38 PM Classification: Query I am a sizemore and I have all my information correct, my grandma is Goldia Sizemore married to Preston Brackie Combs. Goldia's great,great,great,great grandpa is cheif red bird. cheif was married to rhoda and the other son beside russle that no body seems to know about is William "Willis" combs Sizemore. The only 2 families that are connected to Cheif Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Jan 2010 11:28 AM Classification: Query Please see the Sizemore DNA results for *proof* of the genetic ancestry of Rhoda's stb sons. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Her stb son John was fathered by a SIZEMORE, Russell was fathered by a BEGLEY, Willis Combs was fathered by a BEGLEY. Joy http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore eric4617 ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 29 Jun 2010 8:54 PM Classification: Query my name is eric sizemore my grandparents were Claude and Annie sizemore who came to California from Arkansas, I am interested in knowing more about my heritage, as my Grandfather always said we were descendants of Chief Redbird Sizemore My Grandparents were the greatest people I ever had the privelege to know ,and I have always wanted too know more about my ancestors.I am just starting my research!and dont have much as of yet! 10 per page Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 17 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 3:32 PM Classification: Query Surnames: English, Ward, Williams, Purvis Is there a mention of Elizabeth English or James B Ward in any of his research? I'm descended from this couple. I'm also interested in the Williams and Purvis families. Thanks. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 16 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 4:38 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Elizabeth English and Purvis and James Benjamin Ward Elizabeth Englis and James Benjamin Ward and Purvis all belong to Muscogee Nation Of Florida tribe in Bruce, FlI have all the information on them and Pictures Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 4:45 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Williams, Elizabeth English, James Benjamin Ward, Purvis families Do you have williams given name I might have their family information also. My email is cb3442@earthlink.net Re: Poarch Band of Creeks VickieLoyd51 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 5:20 PM Classification: Query Hi and yes I am looking for any information on Mariah Williams b.1821 d/o John Williams and Sarah Cudor I have heard she might be either Creek or Cherokee, Mariah had my great great grandfather Henry Williams and a few other kids I can not find who the father is of any of her kids I know they lived around Letcher Co, Ky and all of her kids were born in Kentucky. Any info would be appreciated! Thank you in advance Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 15 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 7:50 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward, Purvis, Wright If you know how to post images on this board, I'd love to see a picture of James B Ward. I already have 2 different pictures of Elizabeth. I have no Purvis pictures, though. I'm descended from Thomas Jefferson Ward and his wife, Holland "Polly' Purvis. Photos of her parents: Chesley J and Lydia Wright Purvis would be greatly appreciated. Lydia's brother William Wright and James B Ward were trapper/trader partners and I've found "passports" issued to the pair by agents of the BIA to allow them to pass through Indian territory. Unfortunately, the Muscogee Nation of Florida tribe is NOT a federally-recognized tribe like the Poarch Creek tribe. However, there are descendants of Elizabeth English & James B Ward who are registered members of the Creek Nation East of the Mississippi (Bay Minette, AL) which IS a federally-recognized tribe. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 14 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 10:51 AM Classification: Query Surnames: James Benjamin Ward Well I guess since The Muscogee Nation of Florida is NOT Federally recognizedthey like poarch. They are not Native Americans so I guess you do not need their history or or Pictures. They are up for Federal Recognition. Also the only Federal recognized tribe in Alabama is Poarch. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks PatriciaTinney331 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 4:27 PM Classification: Query Would be interested in the Henson line if you are still out there Thanks Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 10 Jan 2011 10:29 AM Classification: Query Yes I am kin to Jack Ward . Tarlton is my great great Grandfather. and I am on the Council for the Muscogee Nation of Florida Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 13 Posted: 10 Jan 2011 10:35 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward Yes I am kin to John Ward and James Benjamin Ward . Tarlton Ward is My great great grandfather. Poarch Has a Picture in their archives of Nancy Elizabeth Knight my great great great grandmother and they did not even know her name I have the same picture. I even sent them a better picture with her name and her daughter that is in the picture . I am on the council for the Muscogee Nation of Florida who are up for Federal Recognition. Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 12 Posted: 15 Jan 2011 7:11 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward Thank you very much for the picture. I would very much like to know if the daughter in the photo is Elizabeth Rebecca or Mary Jane. Do you have any pictures of James B Ward? The last time I was at the office in Bruce, I was told that they did NOT have any pictures of him in their files. Thanks again. Vickey Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:32 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Hi Karen, I am a direct descendant of Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore. As Joy King pointed out in the previous post, Arthur was not a descendant of George All, and DNA has shown no connection to any of the other known Sizemore lines to date. As I have repeated many, many, many times, no documentation has been located as to Arthur Sizemore's birthplace, and the earliest mention of him is 1810 in south Alabama. If you have later generations that prove back to Arthur Sizemore,Creek Indian, Clarke/Monroe/Baldwin Cos., AL, then we are connected and I would be more than happy to share our research. Evelyn Sizemore Leslie Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore mvhayv ( View Posts ) Replies: 5 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:37 AM Classification: Query fROM RON BLEVINS: 1. Joy King has always dealt in facts, not theory. Thus when she provides Sizemore information, you can just about take it to the bank. 2. There are DNA participants of three different Sizemore men named George who were all born close to 1750 and whose DNA indicates a very strong probability that the three George's were closely related. These three George's are: * George Sizemore who went to South Carolina * George Sizemore (my ancestor) who married Anna Hart and was the father of Catherine Hart, Sally Osborne, Lydia Blevins, Elizabeth Stamper, Edward B. Sizemore b. 1788, Owen Sizemore born 1793 and George J. Sizemore born 1797. A majority of the 2,200 Sizemore related ECA's were filed by descendants of this George, with most of the ECA's incorrectly referring to him as Ned or Old Ned. It is very possible that George's father was named Edward, thus possibly Ned. George had a brother Owen and a probable older brother Edward, both of whom moved to Hawkins Co, TN. Owen, born ca. 1755, moved from Ashe Co, NC to Hawkins, TN about 1802 while probable older brother Edward was in Hawkins County by 1790. George, Owen and Edward were Tories in the Revolution. Shortly after signing an oath of allegiance in Virginia they are found in Loyalist pay records in SC. Older brother Edward is possibly the father of: * George All Sizemore born ca. 1750/55 who moved from Hawkins Co, TN to Clay Co, KY shortly after 1800. There is circumstantial evidence that this George and Edward are the same George and Edward who appear in records of Tryon Co, NC 1771-1778. George Sizemore was issued letters of administration on the estate of William Shepherd in Tryon County in January 1772. George All Sizemore was purportedly married to Agnes Shepherd. The manuscript that I have worked on "off and on" since 1970 is tentatively titled "Indian Ned Sizemore-the Legend and the Legacy". In a presentation at the Ashe Co, NC Heritage Festival several years ago, I made the points contrary to legend that: 1. Ned Sizemore was not a chief as claimed in some ECA's 2. Ned Sizemore was not Cherokee as the mixed blood in the Sizemore family occurred at least 20 years or perhaps much more before the Sizemores were within 200 miles of Cherokee Territory 3. Ned Sizemore as claimed in hundreds of ECA's was not even Ned, he was George 4. Ned Sizemore was not primarily Native American. The children from whom the ECA claims were made all married white, were land owners and some were church members, not something our WASP ancestors would have been likely to accept for a full blood Indian. 5. There is little question that there is mixed blood in the Sizemore family, but the derivation and timing of that mixed blood has not been proved. 6. The first record I have located of mixed blood in the Sizemore family is in a 1753 Orange Co, NC record that reads in part "20 Sep. 1753 - Mary Torrington petitions this court praying that an orphan female child, called Sarah Torrington taken from her in a forcible manner by a certain Ephraim Sizemore, a mulatto & be bound to Miles Parker" RLB an Ephraim Sizemore resided close to Sizemores named Edward, George, William, Henry, etc. in 1740's Halifax Co, VA Enough for now. It is easy to conclude that more folks want to subscribe to the Sizemore legend that to the few facts that are difficult to document. Ron Blevins Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:01 PM Classification: Query For the earliest *records* associated with the Sizemores, please see: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:26 PM Classification: Query There is nothing in any of the *records* found, to date, that names the parents or siblings of George Sizemore of Ashe Co., NC, George "All" Sizemore of KY, earliest George Sizemore of SC, or Edward Sizemore of Hawkins Co., TN! Also, a mailing list for Sizemore research has been in existence since 1999: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/SIZEMORE/ Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 1:40 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Well said, Ron. I might also add on the "Old Ned" information that the Sizemore ECA's that fell into the "Creek Claimants" group were asked specifically if they were related to or knew anything at all about Old Ned and they replied they had never heard of him. They claimed their Creek ancestry from Arthur Sizemore, Weatherfords, Stiggins, Moniacs, Powells, Tarvins and every other Creek Indian in south Alabama, but none ever mentioned the Sizemores named in the Cherokee applications. I just cannot for the life of me understand why some keep joining the Creek Sizemores in south Alabama to the Cherokees. Evelyn Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore myrasizemore50 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 14 Nov 2009 5:08 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bowling/Asher/ Thank you so much for this posting. How clearly you have laid out the facts that DNA and Joy King's hard work have uncovered, confirming all of my best-guessed thoughts on our family history going back into the 1600s. Migration patterns are so interesting as well as heritage. Much can be gathered from migration patterns, I believe, along with family lines' proximity as we can "see" our people traveling into our mountains. I feel it can go far to fill in gaps - in terms of reasonable considerations. I am descended through 3 of George All and Agnes Sizemore's children; John Rockhouse, Susan and Rhoda. My Mattinglys mingle John Rockhouse and Susan down to through my g-grandmother, Nancy Mattingly, married to g-grandfather, Elhanon Sizemore b: 1858 - Elhanon was the youngest son born to Willis Sizemore, who was a son of Rhoda Sizemore by an unknown Combs man. Elhanon's mother was Nancy Murphy Collett - daughter of Elhannon Murphy b: Abt. 1795 and an unknown Collett girl (according to our family chart-maker from years ago, Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore b: 1911 who lived his life with our people there in the Redbird River Region). Also my Ashers come together with the marriage of my paternal grandparents, Rev. B.A. and Sarah Slusher/Knuckles Sizemore. My double Bowling family line also comes down also through my Mattinglys to Nancy and Elhannon to Grandfather B.A. b: 1882 to my father, Ray Sizemore b: 1921. Again, thank you. Myra Hyden/Ledington Sizemore Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:24 PM Classification: Query no cheif red bird was married to rhoda sizemore. the only families that are in relation to Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. I am a sizemore, he was my like 8th grandpa Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:38 PM Classification: Query I am a sizemore and I have all my information correct, my grandma is Goldia Sizemore married to Preston Brackie Combs. Goldia's great,great,great,great grandpa is cheif red bird. cheif was married to rhoda and the other son beside russle that no body seems to know about is William "Willis" combs Sizemore. The only 2 families that are connected to Cheif Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Jan 2010 11:28 AM Classification: Query Please see the Sizemore DNA results for *proof* of the genetic ancestry of Rhoda's stb sons. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Her stb son John was fathered by a SIZEMORE, Russell was fathered by a BEGLEY, Willis Combs was fathered by a BEGLEY. Joy http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore eric4617 ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 29 Jun 2010 8:54 PM Classification: Query my name is eric sizemore my grandparents were Claude and Annie sizemore who came to California from Arkansas, I am interested in knowing more about my heritage, as my Grandfather always said we were descendants of Chief Redbird Sizemore My Grandparents were the greatest people I ever had the privelege to know ,and I have always wanted too know more about my ancestors.I am just starting my research!and dont have much as of yet! See attachment. This also hangs at Poarch and They would Know who she is if it were Elizabeth English Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 28 Jan 2011 8:42 AM Classification: Query Surnames: English Knight Ward Wow! That's quite a find. HOWEVER, as stated in the caption, the operative word is UNCONFIRMED. Maybe the similarity in appearance between Nancy Knight Ward and Elizabeth English Ward is because "all Injuns look alike"? Curious. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks / Stabler frstabler ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 13 Mar 2011 6:19 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Stabler, Sayler, Crim, Rucker, Wise I see you have STABLER as one of your surnames. I have a good bit on my Stabler family and will share it. Please contact me. Francis Stabler frstabler@cs.com Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock gmwnmd1 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 02 May 2011 11:55 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Weatherford, Beasley Supposedly, it was Red Eagle's son, William, b. 1813 with second wife Sofath Kaney Moniac, who was married to Lila Beasley, dau. of the Col. Beasley who had commanded Ft. Mims. Supposedly they moved to Indian Territory (Tulsa), (some say after Creek Wars, some say during Removal), but I have never found them on a census in IT. Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock courtney reeves ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 21 May 2011 10:48 PM Classification: Query any info on boone n phillips family mostly annie phillips boon of little river alabama she was my greataunt i know she had atleast 1 bro charles david phillis he married ruby bryars of perdido al n ive got her daddys side down and her mama was flornce king bryars so really im trying to find out any info on my phillips side all i have is them 2 plz help my email is jaylasmom08@yahoo.com r cboutwell89@hotmail.com Re: Stiggins DEANFOSTER2010 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 25 Jul 2011 8:43 PM Classification: Query I HAVE A FAMILY TREE RESEARCHED BY GREAT AUNT. SARAH STIGGINS CONWAY IS MY VERIFIED GGG GRANDMOTHER. CONTACT ME ANY TIME. DEANFOSTER2010@GMAIL.COM Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY b_kage71 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 02 Sep 2011 5:23 PM Classification: Query hi my name is kevin brock...im a decendant of chief redbird right on down the line through curly john brock and pollyanne saylor...aka mammy....peace to all bloodlines under the sun.how bout diggin a little ginseng...gettin into the mountains and listen to the ghosts of pineville saying enjoy the moment and be humble...peace...live it or rest in it. Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock bettygodwin114 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 07 Dec 2012 7:16 PM Classification: Query will you please send any information you may have regarding Susan Hathcock (daughter of Thomas Hathcock and Susan Marlow) to my e-mail address....godwinbk@yahoo.com. thank you, Brenda Godwin Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock Faye Black ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 07 Oct 2013 12:29 PM Classification: Query Would you please send me Information on Susan Hathcock? She was my GG Grandmother. Thank you ! My email is janice3593577@yahoo.com Re: Joseph Stiggins gmwnmd1 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 07 Oct 2013 2:14 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Stiggins, Weatherford Suggest you check out Lynn Hastie Thompson's book on William "Red Eagle" Weatherford. Excerpts in book which reference Draper papers and Pickett and Woodward. Lengthy. Describes Joseph as coming from Virginia. Good Luck ! Re: Stiggins Evelyn Leslie Replies: 5 Posted: 26 Apr 2004 11:55 AM Classification: Query Edited: 16 May 2004 4:12 AM Surnames: STIGGINS Henry & Sarah STIGGINS CONWAY are on the 1860 Monroe Co., AL census, P.O. Burnt Corn. He is listed as white male age 39, blacksmith, property 200/400, b. AL. Sarah is 30, Indian, children all listed as Indian and born AL except Irine age 9 and Braddoe age 7 b. TX. They apparently moved to TX a couple of years and came back to AL, because the next 3 children are b. AL. From book Baldwin Co. Marriages at Birmingham Public Library, Sarah STIGGINS married Henry CONWAY 07 Nov 1848. If you need all the children's names & ages, let me know. Not my family, but hope this helps. Evelyn S. Leslie Re: Stiggins brenda Replies: 4 Posted: 26 Apr 2004 2:09 PM Classification: Query Thank you so very much!I would love to have their childrens names if you would be so kind.From my information ,Arnold Conway,married Ann Tatum .Was Sarah Conway Arnolds'mother? My information skips from them ,to when Polly Salter married Charlie Waters,and Calvin Washington Waters married Mary Ella Conway(my grandparents).Thank you so much for your help. Re: Stiggins Evelyn Leslie Replies: 1 Posted: 26 Apr 2004 3:33 PM Classification: Query Glad it was of some help to you. These are just odd notes in my files. I never really found a connection with Sarah in my STIGGINS line, but that doesn't mean there isn't one by any means. Children: Arnold 10 M Ind b. AL (so he was born before they went to TX); Irine F Ind b TX; Braddoe 7 M Ind b. TX; Caledonia 5 F Ind b. AL (so they returned between these two); Henry 4 M Ind b AL; Lorenzo 1 M Ind b. AL. Keep in mind that this area shown in Monroe Co. in Sept. 1860, may have been in Baldwin Co. or part of Clarke at various times in early AL history. Evelyn Re: Stiggins brenda Replies: 0 Posted: 26 Apr 2004 5:46 PM Classification: Query Thanks,you have given me a lot to go looking with.I appreciate you taking the time to send the information. Re: Stiggins DebbyLange35 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 03 May 2004 12:10 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Waters, Walters, Hays?, Russell? I'm also researching the Waters family in Alabama. Does John Waters born in1836 in Alabama fit into your information. John came to Jackson county Florida around 1870. The problem I'm having is family members seem to move back and forth between Florida and Alabama. Any help is appreciated. Re: Stiggins brenda Replies: 0 Posted: 04 May 2004 1:18 PM Classification: Query The one I have was born about 1840,and married Polly Salters.It is very possible that some of the family could have been in Fla.at some time. Re: Hathcock, Colbert, Moniac,Boone poohdog173 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 01 Jun 2004 2:57 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Hathcock, Colbert, Moniac, Boone Hi Tamara, Saw your message on the board and am interested in the Boone Family. My Ggrandfather and ggrandmother was John Ander Boone and Martha Lorain Boone also. Your Husband and I are first cousins, My grandmother was Maggie Boone who married Geo.Phillips. I would like to hear from you to discuss this more. You can e-mail me at poohdog@gulftel.com and I will send you my telephone number and mailing address.Hope to hear from you soon. Bobbie Akins Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY Shari Tarver Replies: 2 Posted: 23 Sep 2004 3:41 PM Classification: Query Hello I am interested and have done alot of work in the Sizemore family Please call me at 580-761-8161 Sheli Re: SIZEMORE JYKing Replies: 1 Posted: 23 Sep 2004 4:45 PM Classification: Query Surnames: SIZEMORE, HUGHES, TARVER Shari, I'm interested in your TARVER surname. There are HUGHES/TARVER/SIZEMORE connections in Greenville & Spartanburg Cos., SC. Do you know of any connection with your TARVERs? Joy Re: SIZEMORE Shari Tarver Replies: 0 Posted: 23 Sep 2004 6:07 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Tarver/Sizemore The information I have is where the Tarvers joined the Sizemores starting with Sam Tarver marrying Nancy Jane. Sams father is Dr. Eugene Lafayette Tarver. I have previous info on both families. Could you email me & tell me who you are checking on. I have so much I need a place to start. :o) Thanks Shari Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY cawny Replies: 13 Posted: 20 Dec 2004 4:38 PM Classification: Query I am a Sizemore descendant and from the info I have, Chief Red Bird was not married to,but did have two children with Rhoda Sizemore (Daughter of George "All" Sizemore and Agnes "Aggy" Shepherd "Cornett. One of the children was Russell or "Ruck" Sizemore and I can't remember the name of the other one right now.Hope this helps. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing Replies: 12 Posted: 20 Dec 2004 8:07 PM Classification: Query Surnames: SIZEMORE Y-DNA results from a descendant of John SIZEMORE (Rhoda's oldest said to be son) show his father was a SIZEMORE. Y-DNA results from *two* descendants of Russell SIZEMORE (also said to be a son of Rhoda) match the BEGLEY surname DNA markers. For the test results of the SIZEMORE project see: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~craingen/DNAindex.html For the test results of the BEGLEY project see: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/BegleySurnameResearch/#title We also have DNA results for a descendant of the half-blood Creek Indian ARTHUR SIZEMORE. These results *do not* match the SIZEMORE markers which indicates his Creek blood came from his mother. We are in need of another male descendant of Arthur to test and *confirm* the present markers for that line. If anyone knows of a proven male descendant, please let us know! Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY savannhkatz ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 01 Apr 2005 1:12 PM Classification: Query I can be reached at savannahkatz@peoplepc.com. I look forward to talking with you. I have been away for a while so I'll have to look back at my records. I have been told that the sizemore/brock tree is full of errors so I would really like to get up with you and find out whats what!!! Thanks, renae Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY TraciVanEcko ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 28 Jun 2005 10:22 PM Classification: Query Edited: 28 Jun 2005 10:24 PM Hi Everyone, I am just getting back on ancestry.com and would love to share all information regarding our relatives. Christopher (Kit) Sizemore is my GGG grandfather and George All Sizemore is my GGGGGG grandfather. My grandmother is a living Sizemore. There is a Sizemore family reunion this weekend in Oklahoma. I would love to share any information. I knew we had a Chief for a relative but the name was never confirmed so I am happy to see it is Chief Red Bird. I still am trying to figure out where he exactly falls into my tree. You can reach me anytime by emailing me at sugarteababy@sbcglobal.net I look forward to hearing from you all. Traci Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY glendasue28 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 22 Oct 2007 3:44 PM Classification: Query what information are you looking for???????????? Re: Dixon Bailey CarmenLS_SmalleyGarcia ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Sep 2009 7:36 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Bailey/Sizemore/Padgett/Burdick/Smelley Dixon was born in Autossee, died at Ft. Mims 8/30/13 Clake Co AL, all i've found about his wife is that she is said to be the daughter of Sohpia McGillvray and Benjamin Durant. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY Johnson70 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 16 Sep 2009 7:47 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Rec Bird Sixemore Red Bird also married a woman by name of Smith but he like The sound of Sizemore so he took it for his name whilc living with Rhoda. Would love to know the link to Rev. Dickey and anything else you can tell me on Red Bird. Are there any pictures of him? Thank you so much. Geri Sizemore Johnson onekoolmeme@ymail.com Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Sep 2009 11:03 AM Classification: Query Geri, Y-DNA testing has *proven* Rhoda's sons were *not fathered by a Red Bird*. See my 21 Dec 2004 posting in this thread. The male descendants of George "All" of KY are a match to other Sizemore lines, which shows this *male American Indian ancestry* did *not* start with his birth in the 1750s, but most likely goes back to early 1600s VA. http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Additionally, the results for two direct line descendants of Arthur *prove* he does *not* have the same male genetic ancestry as the other Sizemores, and there is absolutely nothing in the genealogical records that tie him to those lines either. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA/default.aspx Click on the Y-DNA Results button on the left side of the page. As for the Dickey Diaries, through DNA results we have been able to *disprove* a lot of this Sizemore misinformation, as I stated above. In addition, mtDNA results from direct line female descendants of Agnes (Shepherd) Sizemore show there is *no* female American Indian ancestry in her line. http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/mtDNAindex.html Y-DNA results have also *proven* the Sizemore surname was *not* changed from the surname Williams, as stated in the diary. Hope this helps to clear up some things for you, Joy Admin. of the Sizemore DNA project http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore rogerday77 ( View Posts ) Replies: 11 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 10:23 AM Classification: Query My name is Karen Evans Day. I too, am a desendant of George "All Chief" Sizemore. I have many male cousins that would be direct desendants of Arthur Sizemore, not sure whether or not they would be interested in all this, but my main reason for writting is to see if there is anymore info you can give on the Sizemore "indian" history. Thanks so much!!! Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore mvhayv ( View Posts ) Replies: 6 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:31 AM Classification: Query JOIN THIS GROUP: ncnr@yahoogroups.com IT HAS EXTENSIVE AND ACCURATE RESEARCH FINDINGS TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:32 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Hi Karen, I am a direct descendant of Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore. As Joy King pointed out in the previous post, Arthur was not a descendant of George All, and DNA has shown no connection to any of the other known Sizemore lines to date. As I have repeated many, many, many times, no documentation has been located as to Arthur Sizemore's birthplace, and the earliest mention of him is 1810 in south Alabama. If you have later generations that prove back to Arthur Sizemore,Creek Indian, Clarke/Monroe/Baldwin Cos., AL, then we are connected and I would be more than happy to share our research. Evelyn Sizemore Leslie Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore mvhayv ( View Posts ) Replies: 5 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 11:37 AM Classification: Query fROM RON BLEVINS: 1. Joy King has always dealt in facts, not theory. Thus when she provides Sizemore information, you can just about take it to the bank. 2. There are DNA participants of three different Sizemore men named George who were all born close to 1750 and whose DNA indicates a very strong probability that the three George's were closely related. These three George's are: * George Sizemore who went to South Carolina * George Sizemore (my ancestor) who married Anna Hart and was the father of Catherine Hart, Sally Osborne, Lydia Blevins, Elizabeth Stamper, Edward B. Sizemore b. 1788, Owen Sizemore born 1793 and George J. Sizemore born 1797. A majority of the 2,200 Sizemore related ECA's were filed by descendants of this George, with most of the ECA's incorrectly referring to him as Ned or Old Ned. It is very possible that George's father was named Edward, thus possibly Ned. George had a brother Owen and a probable older brother Edward, both of whom moved to Hawkins Co, TN. Owen, born ca. 1755, moved from Ashe Co, NC to Hawkins, TN about 1802 while probable older brother Edward was in Hawkins County by 1790. George, Owen and Edward were Tories in the Revolution. Shortly after signing an oath of allegiance in Virginia they are found in Loyalist pay records in SC. Older brother Edward is possibly the father of: * George All Sizemore born ca. 1750/55 who moved from Hawkins Co, TN to Clay Co, KY shortly after 1800. There is circumstantial evidence that this George and Edward are the same George and Edward who appear in records of Tryon Co, NC 1771-1778. George Sizemore was issued letters of administration on the estate of William Shepherd in Tryon County in January 1772. George All Sizemore was purportedly married to Agnes Shepherd. The manuscript that I have worked on "off and on" since 1970 is tentatively titled "Indian Ned Sizemore-the Legend and the Legacy". In a presentation at the Ashe Co, NC Heritage Festival several years ago, I made the points contrary to legend that: 1. Ned Sizemore was not a chief as claimed in some ECA's 2. Ned Sizemore was not Cherokee as the mixed blood in the Sizemore family occurred at least 20 years or perhaps much more before the Sizemores were within 200 miles of Cherokee Territory 3. Ned Sizemore as claimed in hundreds of ECA's was not even Ned, he was George 4. Ned Sizemore was not primarily Native American. The children from whom the ECA claims were made all married white, were land owners and some were church members, not something our WASP ancestors would have been likely to accept for a full blood Indian. 5. There is little question that there is mixed blood in the Sizemore family, but the derivation and timing of that mixed blood has not been proved. 6. The first record I have located of mixed blood in the Sizemore family is in a 1753 Orange Co, NC record that reads in part "20 Sep. 1753 - Mary Torrington petitions this court praying that an orphan female child, called Sarah Torrington taken from her in a forcible manner by a certain Ephraim Sizemore, a mulatto & be bound to Miles Parker" RLB an Ephraim Sizemore resided close to Sizemores named Edward, George, William, Henry, etc. in 1740's Halifax Co, VA Enough for now. It is easy to conclude that more folks want to subscribe to the Sizemore legend that to the few facts that are difficult to document. Ron Blevins Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:01 PM Classification: Query For the earliest *records* associated with the Sizemores, please see: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 12:26 PM Classification: Query There is nothing in any of the *records* found, to date, that names the parents or siblings of George Sizemore of Ashe Co., NC, George "All" Sizemore of KY, earliest George Sizemore of SC, or Edward Sizemore of Hawkins Co., TN! Also, a mailing list for Sizemore research has been in existence since 1999: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/SIZEMORE/ Joy Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 08 Nov 2009 1:40 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bailey/Stiggins Well said, Ron. I might also add on the "Old Ned" information that the Sizemore ECA's that fell into the "Creek Claimants" group were asked specifically if they were related to or knew anything at all about Old Ned and they replied they had never heard of him. They claimed their Creek ancestry from Arthur Sizemore, Weatherfords, Stiggins, Moniacs, Powells, Tarvins and every other Creek Indian in south Alabama, but none ever mentioned the Sizemores named in the Cherokee applications. I just cannot for the life of me understand why some keep joining the Creek Sizemores in south Alabama to the Cherokees. Evelyn Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore myrasizemore50 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 14 Nov 2009 5:08 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore/Bowling/Asher/ Thank you so much for this posting. How clearly you have laid out the facts that DNA and Joy King's hard work have uncovered, confirming all of my best-guessed thoughts on our family history going back into the 1600s. Migration patterns are so interesting as well as heritage. Much can be gathered from migration patterns, I believe, along with family lines' proximity as we can "see" our people traveling into our mountains. I feel it can go far to fill in gaps - in terms of reasonable considerations. I am descended through 3 of George All and Agnes Sizemore's children; John Rockhouse, Susan and Rhoda. My Mattinglys mingle John Rockhouse and Susan down to through my g-grandmother, Nancy Mattingly, married to g-grandfather, Elhanon Sizemore b: 1858 - Elhanon was the youngest son born to Willis Sizemore, who was a son of Rhoda Sizemore by an unknown Combs man. Elhanon's mother was Nancy Murphy Collett - daughter of Elhannon Murphy b: Abt. 1795 and an unknown Collett girl (according to our family chart-maker from years ago, Uncle Jefferson Farmer Sizemore b: 1911 who lived his life with our people there in the Redbird River Region). Also my Ashers come together with the marriage of my paternal grandparents, Rev. B.A. and Sarah Slusher/Knuckles Sizemore. My double Bowling family line also comes down also through my Mattinglys to Nancy and Elhannon to Grandfather B.A. b: 1882 to my father, Ray Sizemore b: 1921. Again, thank you. Myra Hyden/Ledington Sizemore Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:24 PM Classification: Query no cheif red bird was married to rhoda sizemore. the only families that are in relation to Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. I am a sizemore, he was my like 8th grandpa Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY wrightjill ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 18 Jan 2010 9:38 PM Classification: Query I am a sizemore and I have all my information correct, my grandma is Goldia Sizemore married to Preston Brackie Combs. Goldia's great,great,great,great grandpa is cheif red bird. cheif was married to rhoda and the other son beside russle that no body seems to know about is William "Willis" combs Sizemore. The only 2 families that are connected to Cheif Red Bird is the Brocks and Sizemores. Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 19 Jan 2010 11:28 AM Classification: Query Please see the Sizemore DNA results for *proof* of the genetic ancestry of Rhoda's stb sons. http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Her stb son John was fathered by a SIZEMORE, Russell was fathered by a BEGLEY, Willis Combs was fathered by a BEGLEY. Joy http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/index.html Earliest research: http://www.sizemorednaproject.com/history_surname.html Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore eric4617 ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 29 Jun 2010 8:54 PM Classification: Query my name is eric sizemore my grandparents were Claude and Annie sizemore who came to California from Arkansas, I am interested in knowing more about my heritage, as my Grandfather always said we were descendants of Chief Redbird Sizemore My Grandparents were the greatest people I ever had the privelege to know ,and I have always wanted too know more about my ancestors.I am just starting my research!and dont have much as of yet! Re: Poarch Band of Creeks DeloresFCork64 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 21 Jul 2010 10:18 AM Classification: Query I am looking for the father of Rev. James Harry Freeman, pastor of Livingston Chapel Methodist in Cullman County, AL. He was born in Georgia in 1845. He married Cristina JANE Horton who was ten years older, so I think she was the widow of a Civil War casualty. Her pension is difficult to pin down and there were thousands of Freeman families in Georgia. Do you know anything about the Freeman Indian connection? And do you know anything about the father of James Harry Freeman? Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore staffordjudy1957 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 04 Oct 2010 12:43 AM Classification: Query I am just staring my ancestry search also...did your granparents ever mention a columbus sizemore in north carolina? He married mary victoria beeson.good luck on your journey of ancestry.....columbus and his wife were my g grand parents, and i,ve hit a brick wall with the sizemore side,,,thanks Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 04 Oct 2010 8:14 AM Classification: Query William Columbus Sizemore b. 1848 NC md. Mary A. Victory Beeson Oct. 28, 1885 in Forsyth Co., NC. His parents were William M. Sizemore (1826-) & Elizabeth Fulk (1823-abt.1900). William M. Sizemore was a son of Isaac Sizemore & Lavice Childress. Isaac Sizemore (1794-bef.1860) was a son of William Sizemore & Catherine Adams. Descendants of this line are in the Sizemore DNA project: http://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA Joy Re: Poarch Band of Creeks Stephanie Allen ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 10 Dec 2010 11:14 AM Classification: Query Surnames: allen and hall hi i hope you can help i know my husbands grandmother ola berta hall was creek indian and was born outside of atmore al. she was born on oct 25 1892.this is from what she told my mother in law. she passed away on 20 mar 1976 so i have no way to ask her questions. But i would love to find her family tree if possible. any help you can give me would be great thank you debra allen coin1977del@yahoo.com ps she married james allen but i know almost nothing of him i don't even know if he was indian or not Re: Poarch Band of Creeks junehawthorne39 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 28 Dec 2010 4:18 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Williams, Freeman, Allen Hi, my name is June. My Grandmother is the granddaughter of Missouri Williams Freeman. We have been trying to find out more about that side of my grandmothers family. Is there any chance you might know how I could possible get more information on them. My grandmother's mom died when she was only 4 and her father gave her and her sister to a family in Uriah. So we are also trying to find out about some Allens who are from around that area. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks James Eric Walker ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 28 Dec 2010 8:29 PM Classification: Query Hi i hope u can find a Maryjane grey,my great great grand mother. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks James Eric Walker ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 29 Dec 2010 12:25 PM Classification: Query Maryjane Grey is apart of the Sehoyi 111 windclan just can,t find it.My brother is a member of the Starclan with this blood line.he can,t find his infr.You can email me at jwalk164@aol.com Re: creek roots James Eric Walker ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 29 Dec 2010 12:35 PM Classification: Query Great saw your names,just checking to seeu if you can find Maryjane Grey in there.Thanx 4 your help Re: Poarch Band of Creeks Stephanie Allen ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 03 Jan 2011 10:22 PM Classification: Query Surnames: hall and allen hi i am looking for ola berta hall 1892 or joseph allen 1890 i know ola berta hall was from atmore al and was creek indian if you can help me or tell me where to look i'd appreciate it thank you Re: Poarch Band of Creeks VickieLoyd27 ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 12:51 PM Classification: Query Hi, can I get info on surname Williams Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 17 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 3:32 PM Classification: Query Surnames: English, Ward, Williams, Purvis Is there a mention of Elizabeth English or James B Ward in any of his research? I'm descended from this couple. I'm also interested in the Williams and Purvis families. Thanks. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 16 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 4:38 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Elizabeth English and Purvis and James Benjamin Ward Elizabeth Englis and James Benjamin Ward and Purvis all belong to Muscogee Nation Of Florida tribe in Bruce, FlI have all the information on them and Pictures Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 4:45 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Williams, Elizabeth English, James Benjamin Ward, Purvis families Do you have williams given name I might have their family information also. My email is cb3442@earthlink.net Re: Poarch Band of Creeks VickieLoyd51 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 06 Jan 2011 5:20 PM Classification: Query Hi and yes I am looking for any information on Mariah Williams b.1821 d/o John Williams and Sarah Cudor I have heard she might be either Creek or Cherokee, Mariah had my great great grandfather Henry Williams and a few other kids I can not find who the father is of any of her kids I know they lived around Letcher Co, Ky and all of her kids were born in Kentucky. Any info would be appreciated! Thank you in advance Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 15 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 7:50 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward, Purvis, Wright If you know how to post images on this board, I'd love to see a picture of James B Ward. I already have 2 different pictures of Elizabeth. I have no Purvis pictures, though. I'm descended from Thomas Jefferson Ward and his wife, Holland "Polly' Purvis. Photos of her parents: Chesley J and Lydia Wright Purvis would be greatly appreciated. Lydia's brother William Wright and James B Ward were trapper/trader partners and I've found "passports" issued to the pair by agents of the BIA to allow them to pass through Indian territory. Unfortunately, the Muscogee Nation of Florida tribe is NOT a federally-recognized tribe like the Poarch Creek tribe. However, there are descendants of Elizabeth English & James B Ward who are registered members of the Creek Nation East of the Mississippi (Bay Minette, AL) which IS a federally-recognized tribe. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 14 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 10:51 AM Classification: Query Surnames: James Benjamin Ward Well I guess since The Muscogee Nation of Florida is NOT Federally recognizedthey like poarch. They are not Native Americans so I guess you do not need their history or or Pictures. They are up for Federal Recognition. Also the only Federal recognized tribe in Alabama is Poarch. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks PatriciaTinney331 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 09 Jan 2011 4:27 PM Classification: Query Would be interested in the Henson line if you are still out there Thanks Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 10 Jan 2011 10:29 AM Classification: Query Yes I am kin to Jack Ward . Tarlton is my great great Grandfather. and I am on the Council for the Muscogee Nation of Florida Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 13 Posted: 10 Jan 2011 10:35 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward Yes I am kin to John Ward and James Benjamin Ward . Tarlton Ward is My great great grandfather. Poarch Has a Picture in their archives of Nancy Elizabeth Knight my great great great grandmother and they did not even know her name I have the same picture. I even sent them a better picture with her name and her daughter that is in the picture . I am on the council for the Muscogee Nation of Florida who are up for Federal Recognition. Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 12 Posted: 15 Jan 2011 7:11 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward Thank you very much for the picture. I would very much like to know if the daughter in the photo is Elizabeth Rebecca or Mary Jane. Do you have any pictures of James B Ward? The last time I was at the office in Bruce, I was told that they did NOT have any pictures of him in their files. Thanks again. Vickey Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 11 Posted: 15 Jan 2011 8:40 PM Classification: Query Surnames: 10047657James benjamin ward Attached is a picture of James Benjamin Ward Iam not sure which picture you are asking about as to which daughter it is. Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 5 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 1:07 AM Classification: Query THANK YOU, Thank You, thank you!!! That's the picture of James B Ward for which I have been searching. Receiving it on my birthday makes it even MORE special. :-D I was asking for the name of the Ward daughter in this picture. Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 4 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 10:32 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks The lady on the left is Nancy Elizabeth Knight wife of John Ward. James B. Mother. The daughter is Nancy Ann Ward Childress. Attached is a picture James B. wife Elizabeth English Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 10:39 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks Nancy Ann Ward Childress inthe picture you asked about is James B. SisterNot his daughter Re: Poarch Band of Creeks spsap ( View Posts ) Replies: 4 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 6:21 PM Classification: Query Here is a link to the photo with the man you posted as James B. Ward. James died in 1862 (at the age of 66) and this photo was taken around 1914. People indentified in the photo are left to right: Frank J. Davis, James Monroe Davis, Mary Jane Ward Davis, Hattie Davis, Julia Davis and Jessie Davis. Frank J. Davis was born in June of 1895, so in 1914 he would be 15. James Monroe Davis would be about 83 in the photo. Mary Jane Ward Davis was the daughter of James B. and Elizabeth E. Ward. http://www.littletownmart.com/family/viewphoto.asp?daviss.jpg Re: Poarch Band of Creeks spsap ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 22 Jan 2011 6:24 PM Classification: Query Here is the photo: left to right: Frank J. Davis, James Monroe Davis, Mary Jane Ward Davis, Hattie Davis, Julia Davis and Jessie Davis. Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 23 Jan 2011 12:56 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Poarch Band of Creeks The picture I have is not the same picture mine is a single photo from James B. son's family. Even blown up they are not the same face. All Ican tell you it came from his family in Walton County Re: Poarch Band of Creeks spsap ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 23 Jan 2011 3:43 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Ward, Davis I have cropped the large family photo TO JUST SHOW James M. Davis. Please study the photo and you will see that the porch post is behind his head in this photo and yours, he is holding a hat in the photo and yours, the beard is the same, etc. You have a faded copy of the same photo!!!! Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 26 Jan 2011 10:17 AM Classification: Query Surnames: English, Knight, Ward Thank you for clearing that up for me. I was a bit confused. Amazing how much the lady you've identified as Nancy Knight Ward (in the mother/daughter photo) looks like Elizabeth English Ward (in the photo you just sent). Especially since these 2 women were NOT blood related. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 26 Jan 2011 10:49 AM Classification: Query Ya' got THAT right, cuz. Look at 'em side-by-side. Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks carolynbozeman ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 26 Jan 2011 9:08 PM Classification: Query Surnames: SE Creeks See attachment. This also hangs at Poarch and They would Know who she is if it were Elizabeth English Attachments: Re: Poarch Band of Creeks vlbaggott ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 28 Jan 2011 8:42 AM Classification: Query Surnames: English Knight Ward Wow! That's quite a find. HOWEVER, as stated in the caption, the operative word is UNCONFIRMED. Maybe the similarity in appearance between Nancy Knight Ward and Elizabeth English Ward is because "all Injuns look alike"? Curious. Re: Poarch Band of Creeks / Stabler frstabler ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 13 Mar 2011 6:19 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Stabler, Sayler, Crim, Rucker, Wise I see you have STABLER as one of your surnames. I have a good bit on my Stabler family and will share it. Please contact me. Francis Stabler frstabler@cs.com Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock gmwnmd1 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 02 May 2011 11:55 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Weatherford, Beasley Supposedly, it was Red Eagle's son, William, b. 1813 with second wife Sofath Kaney Moniac, who was married to Lila Beasley, dau. of the Col. Beasley who had commanded Ft. Mims. Supposedly they moved to Indian Territory (Tulsa), (some say after Creek Wars, some say during Removal), but I have never found them on a census in IT. Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock courtney reeves ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 21 May 2011 10:48 PM Classification: Query any info on boone n phillips family mostly annie phillips boon of little river alabama she was my greataunt i know she had atleast 1 bro charles david phillis he married ruby bryars of perdido al n ive got her daddys side down and her mama was flornce king bryars so really im trying to find out any info on my phillips side all i have is them 2 plz help my email is jaylasmom08@yahoo.com r cboutwell89@hotmail.com Re: Stiggins DEANFOSTER2010 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 25 Jul 2011 8:43 PM Classification: Query I HAVE A FAMILY TREE RESEARCHED BY GREAT AUNT. SARAH STIGGINS CONWAY IS MY VERIFIED GGG GRANDMOTHER. CONTACT ME ANY TIME. DEANFOSTER2010@GMAIL.COM Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY b_kage71 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 02 Sep 2011 5:23 PM Classification: Query hi my name is kevin brock...im a decendant of chief redbird right on down the line through curly john brock and pollyanne saylor...aka mammy....peace to all bloodlines under the sun.how bout diggin a little ginseng...gettin into the mountains and listen to the ghosts of pineville saying enjoy the moment and be humble...peace...live it or rest in it. Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock bettygodwin114 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 07 Dec 2012 7:16 PM Classification: Query will you please send any information you may have regarding Susan Hathcock (daughter of Thomas Hathcock and Susan Marlow) to my e-mail address....godwinbk@yahoo.com. thank you, Brenda Godwin Re: weatherford, tate, hathcock Faye Black ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 07 Oct 2013 12:29 PM Classification: Query Would you please send me Information on Susan Hathcock? She was my GG Grandmother. Thank you ! My email is janice3593577@yahoo.com Re: Joseph Stiggins gmwnmd1 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 07 Oct 2013 2:14 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Stiggins, Weatherford Suggest you check out Lynn Hastie Thompson's book on William "Red Eagle" Weatherford. Excerpts in book which reference Draper papers and Pickett and Woodward. Lengthy. Describes Joseph as coming from Virginia. Good Luck ! Re: Poarch Band of Creeks Debra Carter Dunagan ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 27 Nov 2013 12:00 PM Classification: Query Surnames: SEMOICE Lisa That sounds like something interesting to read. I am the ggg-grandaughter of John Semoice Re: Chief Red Bird / Sizemore's in KY & Half Blood Creek Indian Arthur Sizemore dapow11 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 12 Apr 2015 7:13 PM Classification: Query My name is Deborah Powell, and I am a Powell by birth, not by marriage. I have four siblings. One of my brothers took a 111-chromosome Y-DNA test through FamilyTreeDNA.com, and he is a 109/111 chromosome match with a genetic distance of 2 -- referred to as a "tight" match -- with a male named Mr. M. A. Sizemore (name withheld for privacy reasons). This Mr. Sizemore is a direct descendant of Henry W. Sizemore. Both he and my brother are in Haplogroup "T." My brother is Haplogroup T subclave "1a" so far, but he is being tested to see if his subclave of T is carried out further from 1a (aka M70). Mr. Sizemore is Haplogroup T subclave 1a2b (aka L446). My brother has "tight" matches with more than a dozen other Powell males who took the FTDNA Y-DNA test, and Mr. Sizemore is a tight match with those Powell males as well, which indicates that somewhere in the direct line of Henry W. Sizemore is a Sizemore male who was biologically a Powell. As you probably know, in the Sizemore Y-DNA Project on FamilyTreeDNA.com, there are two descendants of Henry W. Sizemore, and they are the only Sizemore males in the T Haplogroup. Both are T subclave 1a2b (L-446) and are matches of the Powell males with whom my "Powell" brother is a match. (I'm assuming that one of these is M. A. Sizemore mentioned above.) My siblings and I are direct descendants of Thomas Jefferson Powell (b. 5 Dec 1861; lived in McComb, MS; m. Sarah Virginia Alford in MS ca. 1882; d. 13 Apr 1899 New Orleans, LA; buried Gravesite C, Hollywood Cemetery, McComb, Pike County, Mississippi). His parents and siblings are currently unknown due to records being destroyed in a courthouse fire. However, I did find on the 1870 MS Census (Copiah County) a Thomas Powell born in 1861 (same as my 2x g-gf) in Mississippi and his younger sister Martha E. "Mattie" Powell (b. 1865 MS). They appeared to be orphans living with Franklin H. and Mary J. Kelly and their two sons Thomas Kelly (b. 1861) and John W. Kelly (b. 1866). This Thomas Powell may or may not be my 2nd g-gf. My brother tightly matches a male descendant of Marion Powell -- son of Middleton W. Powell, b. ca.1816 GA; m. 1846 to Lucinda (McLeroy/McElroy) Powell Stackhouse (1831 GA - 18? AR); lived in Palding Co., GA 1850 and Tippah Co., MS 1860; d. ca.1869 MS(?). My brother is an even tighter match (66/67 chromosomes with a genetic distance of 1) to a Powell male descendant of Silas Jesse Powell (b. 1829 GA(?) - d. 1915 TN(?)) and a male named Kleck who is a descendant of Holland Eugene Powell(?). Holland Eugene is a name carried down in the Middleton family who married into the Powell family -- indicating a further tie to Middleton W. Powell (parents and siblings unknown). Anyway, just thought I would pass this on. I know there is a genetic connection between the Henry W. Sizemore and Thomas Jefferson Powell lines, but I would be interested in knowing what info anyone has on a documented Sizemore and Powell connection. --Deborah Powell == Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore == Originally posted at https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.jackson/1783.1.1.1 Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 4 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 9:45 AM Classification: Query Susan, Are you speaking of Ephraim Sizemore that died in Spartanburg Co., SC? If so, I would certainly appreciate your documentation concerning his father. I've been researching the Sizemores for 17 years and since my grandmother was a SC Sizemore I've collected a lot of RECORDS on Ephraim & his family. I have found absolutely NOTHING in any of the records that gives any clue whatsoever as to who his parents were, or indicating that he had NA ancestry. Joy Change to Thread View 1 of 2 Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore Doris Replies: 15 Posted: 26 Mar 2000 11:55 AM I'm looking for any information regarding Elizabeth Jackson,born around 1748 in VA and married Edward Sizemore. I'm searching for Cherokee blood in my family. I'm also investigating Annie E. Hart, who married a Sizemore as well ( born around 1770 in VA).Please contact by e-mail at stard@hotmail.com or message board. Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore TRLowe ( View Posts ) Replies: 14 Posted: 07 Aug 2001 7:08 PM Edited: 27 Sep 2001 5:59 AM Doris, Edward Sizemore was my gggggg grandfather and Mahala was my ggg grandmother. Contact me NCStixx@yahoo.com I do have some info and might enlighten you as to what I think abt the N/A Myth. Please keep a open mind abt this when I tell you. Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Susan Murphy Replies: 13 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 12:24 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore, Bussler, Geer I am sorry but I have to laugh when you say "I do have some info and might enlighten you as to what I think abt the N/A Myth"...I am NOT a myth and I come from George Washington Sizemore whose Father was Ephraim Sizemore whose Father was George Washington Sizemore whose Father was Eward "Old Ned" Sizemore...My husband and I have found that a lot of Sizemore's that I come from CAN be accepted by the Eastern Cherokee Tribe...My Father who lives in Colville, Washington CAN also be a Tribal Member of the Colville Tribe as he is 1/4 Native American and THAT is where his Grampa had land that WAS ALLOTED TO HIM BY THE GOVERNMENT...Again, I'm sorry but I am NOT a myth and I KNOW FOR A FACT THAT I AM CHEROKEE with some Creek Indian... Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 4 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 9:45 AM Classification: Query Susan, Are you speaking of Ephraim Sizemore that died in Spartanburg Co., SC? If so, I would certainly appreciate your documentation concerning his father. I've been researching the Sizemores for 17 years and since my grandmother was a SC Sizemore I've collected a lot of RECORDS on Ephraim & his family. I have found absolutely NOTHING in any of the records that gives any clue whatsoever as to who his parents were, or indicating that he had NA ancestry. Joy Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? wfhorton1 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 8:23 PM Classification: Query Edited: 07 May 2002 9:20 AM I am a decendant of Elias Osborne and Sarah Sally Sizemore daughter of Edward (NED) Sizemore. Edward, Owen and George all three brothers had land grants in the Bakers Ridge sec. of Alleghany Co (formed from Ashe in 1859). I grew up in this area and have relatives who still own some of this land. All the Sizemores that I have met have Blonde hair and Blue eyes. These Sizemores were in Central and Eastern Va prior to coming to NC. There are Court and Land records to prove this. Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Tina Anderson Lowe Replies: 4 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 8:29 PM Classification: Query I just read your post concerning the facts that you say you have. And also that you can apply to the Eastern Band of the Cherokee. You can apply but no one that applied under (Old Ned) Edward Sizemore was ever accepted. Old Ned was a Tory and was hung. This is my opinion, but I would say that this is the reason why ALL the Sizemores that applied under Edward Sizemore were rejected by the Eastern Band. I am very good friends with ALOT of Real Native Americans, and have found out some very interesting facts concerning the Sizemores and the Eastern Band. I find this story of N/A in the Sizemore line very interesting considering the fact that Sizemore is a Scottish surname. Also the fact that Mahala and Owen are Welsch fornames. I have excepted the fact that we may never know the truth about our Sizemore for-fathers and or their heritage. We are all here now and nothing we can do to change the facts. Until there is documented proof I am Happy to say I am a MELUNGEON! Hey good luck when you apply to the Eastern Band! I would be very interested in knowing what they say. Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? susi Replies: 3 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 8:35 PM Classification: Query I was accepted.... Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Joy King Replies: 2 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 10:01 PM Classification: Query By Whom???? Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Susan Replies: 1 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 10:23 PM Classification: Query NightEagle the one in charge of adding to the rolls... Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Joy King Replies: 0 Posted: 18 Mar 2002 11:08 PM Classification: Query That wasn't exactly what I meant Susan, so I'll be more specific. Was this Night Eagle an official representative of the Federally Recognized Cherokee? Or are you talking about the WV White Top self organized and undocumented group? There is a BIG difference. Joy ' Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? poppy333 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 24 Apr 2002 9:56 AM Classification: Query Joy, I found William Sizemore, Thomas Franklin, Ephraim Sizemore, Henry Sizemore, James Sizemore, and Edward Sizemore listed on the Tax List Lunenburg, Va. 1748. Do your records include a marriage of Elizabeth Sizemore to Thomas Jefferson Franklin? I am also searching for a possible marriage of an unknown Sizemore to a Lazarus or Lazarus John Bryars/Briers,Briars,Bryers in SC. Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Joy King Replies: 0 Posted: 24 Apr 2002 10:28 AM Classification: Query Sorry Helen, I have found nothing in the SC records that would confirm either of the marriages you're looking for. Joy Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Donna Stillwell Replies: 1 Posted: 19 Aug 2002 10:07 PM Classification: Query Hi! Susan I was wondering if you could tell me about the info; you have on being accepted into the Eastern Cherokees. e-mail soon My Ephraim m: Naomi Ritchie , they had 9 children.Christopher was my gggrandpa Donna Stillwell P.S. Sizemores, I found in Creek too! Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? ajaxsizemore ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 17 Dec 2003 10:28 PM Classification: Query my name is harold sizemore and i just discovered this message board. my dad was rc'bob' sizemore b1915 in greenville sc. his dad was carl lee sizemore b1891 in spartanburg sc.i can;t find anything on his parents but dad said he called his grandmother-grandma lu. can you help me? Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? Doris Replies: 0 Posted: 04 Jan 2004 11:01 PM Classification: Query Sorry, I gave up my search a while back, but my curiosity will never die. I could find no proof of anything and just reached a dead end. My ancestors were supposedly from the Ashe Co., NC area and possible from western VA (Grayson Co.). Re: Elizabeth Jackson Sizemore/Annie E. Hart Sizemore--N/A Myth? hammeredbean ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 06 Mar 2013 10:54 PM Classification: Query Hi my name is Valerie and I am a descendant of Ephraim Sizemore son of Old Ned Sizemore. My gggggrandfather is James "Wash" Washington Sizemore. I am curious whether or not you found out any information about getting registered in The Eastern Cherokee Tribe or Creek. Would you please contact me at valeriebarber80@gmail.com Thank you in advance. == Sally Anderson wife of George Goldenhawk Sizemore == Originally posted at https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.sizemore/2873.1 Sallie Anderson Sizemore, wife of George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore Begin New Thread Re: Sallie Anderson Sizemore, wife of George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 25 Mar 2022 9:57 AM Classification: Query For correct and documented research on George "Goldenhawk" contact Walter and Andrea Sizemore wlsizemore44@gmail.com Joy Change to Thread View 1 of 1 Sallie Anderson Sizemore, wife of George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore Sean Anderson ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 10 Mar 2022 3:30 PM Classification: Query Edited: 10 Mar 2022 7:28 PM Surnames: Sizemore, Anderson I am not a Sizemore descendant and am only tangentially related to Sizemores - through early marriages in Hawkins Co., TN between Anderson & Sizemores. I can trace my line back to a man named George Anderson. George was born between 1760 & 1770 (age on the 1830 Hawkins Co., TN census) and died in March 1834 (his death is mentioned in records found in Hawkins Co., TN Chancery & Probate Court). George Anderson is first found in 1799 (registered in 1801) when he purchases a 100 acre land grant in Ashe Co., NC - the deed mentions him as a resident of Ashe Co., NC - he may have been in Wilkes Co., NC prior to this since Ashe Co., NC was formed in 1799. He is thus found on the 1800 Ashe Co., NC census. He is between 26-45 & is listed with a wife between 26-45, as well as 5 children all under age 10 - 1 son (Matthew Anderson b Jan 1800 - found through old family letters from the 1850's kept by the Anderson family) and 4 daughters all under age 10. It is currently unknown who these daughters or his wife are. George purchases a further 70 acres of land in Ashe Co., NC from a man named Thomas Testerman/Testament in 1802. George Anderson sells both tracts of land in August 1804 to 2 men with the last name Perkins - William Perkins & Timothy Perkins. Starting in 1805, George Anderson is taxed in Grayson Co., VA - it is around this time he married his 2nd wife, Rhoda. He is taxed here through 1811 and is then found on the 1812 tax list of Hawkins Co., TN in Clinch District. There is, of course, a large gap here with record loss of East Tennessee, but he is found in deeds in Hawkins Co., TN - in 1814 (registered in 1816) he purchases 55 acres from William Vaughn, in 1815 (registered in 1817) he purchases land from William Anderson. (There are various other deeds to/from a George Anderson in 1828 & 1832, but it is unknown which George Anderson these deeds are referring to - there were 2 different George Andersons found in Hawkins Co., TN at this time) George Anderson is next found to be taxed in Whitley Co., KY in 1828 & 1829 next to his oldest son, Matthew Anderson who arrived in Whitley Co., KY in 1827. George Anderson is then on the 1830 Hawkins Co., TN census with his 2nd wife, Rhoda, and 9 children. He dies in March 1834, and the widow Rhoda Anderson is on the 1840 Hawkins Co., TN census along with some of his eldest children with Rhoda being new heads of households. Through court records of Hawkins Co., TN the family of George & Rhoda () Anderson was extensively laid out, corroborating the movements of George Anderson & listing his 9 children with Rhoda. Because the lawsuits dealt with Rhoda Anderson's first son born prior to her marriage to George Anderson, the only family of George documented in the suits is that of his children with Rhoda. Essentially, Rhoda () Anderson had a son prior to her marriage to George Anderson named Aaron Anderson. (some speculated in their depositions that Aaron was born out of wedlock and some further speculated that he was a son of Peter Anderson). Aaron was born between 1803-1805 - census records for Aaron Anderson state he was born in Virginia. Rhoda then married George Anderson around 1807 (Aaron was said to be 2-3) and had her first child with George Anderson, John. George & Rhoda then had Elijah, Lucinda, Daniel, Griffin, Melvina, Ephraim, Ludema, & William. The ages & birthplaces of his children found in census & court records corroborate his cross state/county movement. With the advent and popularity of DNA genealogy, many of the descendants of George & Rhoda Anderson are testing as genetically related to Sizemores on FTDNA & 23&Me. It is known that Aaron Anderson (first son of Rhoda, wife of George Anderson) married Tabitha Sizemore, daughter of Owen Sizemore & Alcey Bingham. It is further known that Rhoda Anderson, daughter of Jonathan Anderson - known brother of George Anderson (mentioned in Hawkins Co., TN Chancery court cases) married a Solomon B Sizemore, son of Owen Sizemore & Alcey Bingham. However, neither of these couples had children (mentioned in depositions in court cases in Hawkins Co., TN Chancery court). Because of these DNA matches with Sizemores, I now am starting to believe that Sarah "Sallie" Anderson, wife of George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore may have been one of the older, unknown, daughters of George Anderson & his currently unknown first wife. According to Sizemore family trees, Sallie was born about 1792 in North Carolina (fits in with the 1800 census listing for George Anderson). She is said to have married George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore in Hawkins Co, TN about 1812 (fits in with the movement of George Anderson's household & his being taxed in Hawkins Co., TN in 1812). And trees list Sallie's father as a George Anderson. And, with her having some 13+ children with George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore, it may account for the number of matches to people with the Sizemore last name or people descended from Sizemores that we are matching to. In trying to find references to Sarah "Sallie" Anderson to corroborate her birth date, marriage date, and father being George Anderson as stated in Sizemore trees, I am coming up short. I cannot even find online the 1860 court case wherein George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore was indicted on charges of Bigamy, which from what I can gather from various trees/webpages/facebook groups, is the source of his stating that he married Sallie Anderson in 1812 in Hawkins Co., TN. I cannot find reference to Sallie's father being a George Anderson unless it was in one of the thousands of ECA's I missed. Most of what I've been finding online don't really have any sort of source - a court case, death record, marriage record, etc - that shows where Sallie's father being George Anderson is found. Most of the trees tend to be focused on documenting the Indigenous heritage of the Sizemore family. Does anyone have any guidance for me? Any Sizemore researcher found any record or source for the information known about Sarah "Sallie" Anderson, wife of Goldenhawk Sizemore? And if any concrete record hasn't been found yet, do any Sizemore family researchers think this theory of mine - Sallie Anderson Sizemore being the eldest daughter of this specific George Anderson - holds any weight? Re: Sallie Anderson Sizemore, wife of George "Goldenhawk" Sizemore JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 25 Mar 2022 9:57 AM Classification: Query For correct and documented research on George "Goldenhawk" contact Walter and Andrea Sizemore wlsizemore44@gmail.com Joy == George Sizemore of Ashe NC == Originally posted at https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.sizemore/2818.2.1 George of Ashe Co., NC line Begin New Thread Re: George of Ashe Co., NC line JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 10 Mar 2016 5:55 PM Classification: Query Michelle, Thanks for the info and your interest in this line. Genealogical research, by descendants of this line, does indicate this Owen was a son of Edward J. son of George J., son of George of Ashe Co., NC records. What we need, in order to prove/disprove William’s relationship to this Owen, is DNA testing of direct line descendants of his stb brothers. As you have seen, there’s a great deal of genealogical info on the findagrave site: Owen W Sizemore (1855-1921) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35320402 Charlotte (Belcher) Sizemore (1856-1947) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35319614 Children included six sons: 1. William Hamilton Sizemore (1876-1931) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73187350 a. David Aldon Sizemore (1916-2007) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=22934113 He had 4 living sons- one has been tested and does NOT have the NA DNA markers. Note JK: On the below findagrave listing of Walter Lee Sizemore, David is listed as a half-sibling! So, the other sons should be tested to confirm the haplogroup. b. Walter Lee Sizemore (1922 - 1993)- Had one son living in 1993. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=26464630 c. Edward C. Sizemore living in 1993. No additional info. d. Bernard C. Sizemore living in 1993. No additional info. 2. Edward Sizemore (1877-1945)- It appears this Edward did not have any children! http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35320588 He did file ECA 18655 and did *not* include William as a sibling, but did correctly give his sister Mary Jane’s birth year as 1879. She was listed on the 1880 census. 3. Harden Henry Sizemore 1881-1962 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73252496 a. Paul Thomas (1907-1977). No additional info. b. Charles Owen Sizemore (1914-1999). A son, Douglas R. Sizemore of Charleston http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=132803615 c. Everette Manuel Sizemore (1920 - 1986). No sons http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74026585 d. Wyatt Franklin Sizemore (1923 - 2014). No additional info. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=122743092 4. Calvin Lewis Sizemore 1884-1979)* DESCENDANT DNA TESTED HAS NA MARKERS http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73998577 a. Herbert A. Sizemore (1904 - 1980). No children named. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=133759593 b. Aulden Curtis Sizemore (1907 - 1983). No children named. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74025721 c. Berlin Novel Sizemore (1914 - 1983) One son, Rev. Bobby Sizemore of Elkview. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74026037 d. Joseph Nelson Sizemore (1916-1983) No sons named. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=75526196 5. Anderson A. Sizemore 1888-1941 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74023621 1940 census indicates he had at least 2 sons-James W. 13 & Kenneth A. 10. They were still living in 2012 when their sister Jessie (Sizemore) Miller died. 6. Floyd Bune Sizemore 1893-1955 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74025251 Surviving are his widow, Mrs. Lucy Cline Sizemore, five sons; Earl W. of Covington, Douglas of the U.S. Air Force, Leroy of Kentucky, Jimmy of the U.S. Army and Ernest of Baltimore, Md., If anyone is from this line, please consider testing! Joy Change to Thread View 1 of 1 George of Ashe Co., NC line JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 19 Aug 2014 8:54 AM Classification: Query We have another case of the oldest son in a family not matching another son from the same family. This one concerns descendants of the George of Ashe Co., NC line. One our early participants, #7649, tested in 2003 and is a direct line descendant of George of Ashe Co., NC: George>George J.>Edward J.>Owen W.>Calvin Lewis>Joseph Nelson>Participant #7649 His results show he has the NA markers. We just received results for another direct line descendant of this line: George>George J.>Edward J.>Owen>William Hamilton>David Aldon>Participant #358474 His results show he does *not* have the NA markers. https://www.familytreedna.com/public/SIZEMORE_DNA/default.aspx?section=ycolorized William Hamilton Sizemore is said to have been the oldest child of Owen Sizemore and Charlotte Belcher. However, his birth is given as Jan. 12, 1876, but WV records show Owen & Charlotte were married Jul 7, 1876. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73187350 Is this where the NPE occurred? Did Charlotte have William prior to her marriage to Owen and he just gave him the Sizemore surname? Any additional info would be greatly appreciated by our new participant and his family. Joy Re: George of Ashe Co., NC line michellecenters2002 ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 10 Mar 2016 2:10 AM Classification: Query 1860 United States Federal Census This Edward J Sizemore married Malinda J Workman. Apparently, no one is sure of who exactly is his parents. Name: Edward Y Sizemore [Edward J Sizemore] Age: 34 Birth Year: abt 1826 Gender: Male Birth Place: North Carolina Home in 1860: Wyoming, Virginia Post Office: Jos Branch Family Number: 120 1860 United States Federal Census Name: Owen Sizemore Age: 8 Birth Year: abt 1852 Gender: Male Birth Place: Virginia Home in 1860: Wyoming, Virginia Post Office: Jos Branch Family Number: 120 Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age Mary Green 42 Jane Green 15 Nancy Green 13 Mary A Green 7 Juda Green 5 John Green 3 Lihws Green 3 Edward Y Sizemore 34 Malinda J Sizemore 30 Mary Sizemore 16 Hiram Sizemore 10 Owen Sizemore 8 Elizabeth Sizemore 7 Cena Sizemore 6 Edward Sizemore 4 Jane Sizemore 7 Months West Virginia, Marriages Index, 1785-1971 Name: Owen Sizemore Gender: Male Spouse's Name: Charlotte Belcher Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Date: 1876 Marriage Place: Wyoming, West Virginia, United States 1880 United States Federal Census Name: Owen Sizemore Age: 25 Birth Year: abt 1855 Birthplace: Virginia Home in 1880: Barkers Ridge, Wyoming, West Virginia Race: White Gender: Male Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Marital Status: Married Spouse's Name: Charlotta Sizemore Father's Birthplace: North Carolina Mother's Birthplace: Virginia Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: Farmer Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View Image Household Members: Name Age Owen Sizemore 25 Charlotta Sizemore 23 William Sizemore 4 Edward Sizemore 3 Mary Jane Sizemore 1 West Virginia, Deaths Index, 1853-1973 Name: William Sizemore Birth Date: abt 1876 Death Date: 1 Feb 1931 Death Place: Greenbrier, West Virginia Death Age: 55 years 20 days Marital Status: Married Gender: Male Father Name: Owen Sizemore Mother Name: Charlotte Belcher Spouse Name: Lucy May Reynolds FHL Film Number: 1953611 Wills and Probates: Search for William Sizemore in West Virginia Wills & Probates collection http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35320402&ref=acom Re: George of Ashe Co., NC line michellecenters2002 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 10 Mar 2016 2:26 AM Classification: Query Edited: 10 Mar 2016 2:43 AM Name: William Belcher Gender: Male Spouse Name: Polly Milam Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Date: 25 Jan 1838 County: Tazewell State: Virginia Name: Owen Sizemore Gender: Male Spouse: Charlotte Belcher Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Date: 7 Jul 1876 County: Wyoming State: West Virginia In 1870 United States Federal Census the family was living under the alias Johnson. I don't know why although by 1880 they did return to their rightful surname of Belcher. And Mary Polly was a widow by 1880. Name: Charlotta Johnson [Charlotta Belcher] Age in 1870: 13 Birth Year: abt 1857 Birthplace: West Virginia Home in 1870: Elkhorn, McDowell, West Virginia Race: White Gender: Female Post Office: Tugriver Value of real estate: View image Household Members: Name Age William Johnson 51 Polly Johnson 52 Margaret Johnson 22 Henry Johnson 17 Maryann Johnson 15 Charlotta Johnson 13 Ann Johnson 12 Noah Johnson 10 Floyd Johnson 8 At this time she was actually about 14 years of age according to the 1850 and later Census records. Name: Polly Belcher Age: 64 Birth Year: abt 1816 Birthplace: Virginia Home in 1880: Barkers Ridge, Wyoming, West Virginia Race: White Gender: Female Relation to Head of House: Self (Head) Marital Status: Widowed Father's Birthplace: Virginia Mother's Birthplace: Virginia Neighbors: View others on page Occupation: K. House Cannot read/write: Blind: Deaf and dumb: Otherwise disabled: Idiotic or insane: View image Household Members: Name Age Polly Belcher 64 Noah Belcher 19 Floyd Belcher 18 Name: Charlotte Belcher Sizemore Birth Date: 2 Aug 1856 Age at Death: 90 Death Date: 10 Apr 1947 Burial Place: Covington, Alleghany County, Virginia, USA Here is the answer as to why they are Johnson's in 1870. Name: William Johnson Gender: Male Spouse's Name: Mary Belcher Spouse Gender: Female Marriage Date: 1870 Marriage Place: Mcdowell, West Virginia, United States Mary Milam Belcher got remarried?? it looks like. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=SIZ&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSst=48&GScntry=4&GSsr=41&GRid=35319614& Re: George of Ashe Co., NC line JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 10 Mar 2016 5:55 PM Classification: Query Michelle, Thanks for the info and your interest in this line. Genealogical research, by descendants of this line, does indicate this Owen was a son of Edward J. son of George J., son of George of Ashe Co., NC records. What we need, in order to prove/disprove William’s relationship to this Owen, is DNA testing of direct line descendants of his stb brothers. As you have seen, there’s a great deal of genealogical info on the findagrave site: Owen W Sizemore (1855-1921) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35320402 Charlotte (Belcher) Sizemore (1856-1947) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35319614 Children included six sons: 1. William Hamilton Sizemore (1876-1931) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73187350 a. David Aldon Sizemore (1916-2007) http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=22934113 He had 4 living sons- one has been tested and does NOT have the NA DNA markers. Note JK: On the below findagrave listing of Walter Lee Sizemore, David is listed as a half-sibling! So, the other sons should be tested to confirm the haplogroup. b. Walter Lee Sizemore (1922 - 1993)- Had one son living in 1993. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=26464630 c. Edward C. Sizemore living in 1993. No additional info. d. Bernard C. Sizemore living in 1993. No additional info. 2. Edward Sizemore (1877-1945)- It appears this Edward did not have any children! http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=35320588 He did file ECA 18655 and did *not* include William as a sibling, but did correctly give his sister Mary Jane’s birth year as 1879. She was listed on the 1880 census. 3. Harden Henry Sizemore 1881-1962 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73252496 a. Paul Thomas (1907-1977). No additional info. b. Charles Owen Sizemore (1914-1999). A son, Douglas R. Sizemore of Charleston http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=132803615 c. Everette Manuel Sizemore (1920 - 1986). No sons http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74026585 d. Wyatt Franklin Sizemore (1923 - 2014). No additional info. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=122743092 4. Calvin Lewis Sizemore 1884-1979)* DESCENDANT DNA TESTED HAS NA MARKERS http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=73998577 a. Herbert A. Sizemore (1904 - 1980). No children named. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=133759593 b. Aulden Curtis Sizemore (1907 - 1983). No children named. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74025721 c. Berlin Novel Sizemore (1914 - 1983) One son, Rev. Bobby Sizemore of Elkview. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74026037 d. Joseph Nelson Sizemore (1916-1983) No sons named. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=75526196 5. Anderson A. Sizemore 1888-1941 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74023621 1940 census indicates he had at least 2 sons-James W. 13 & Kenneth A. 10. They were still living in 2012 when their sister Jessie (Sizemore) Miller died. 6. Floyd Bune Sizemore 1893-1955 http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=74025251 Surviving are his widow, Mrs. Lucy Cline Sizemore, five sons; Earl W. of Covington, Douglas of the U.S. Air Force, Leroy of Kentucky, Jimmy of the U.S. Army and Ernest of Baltimore, Md., If anyone is from this line, please consider testing! Joy == Edward and Owen of South Carolina == Originally posted at https://www.ancestry.com/boards/surnames.sizemore/2833.1.3 Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC Begin New Thread Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 4 Posted: 23 Jan 2016 2:07 PM Classification: Query Michelle, There are SC records for several different Ephraims, but the RW pension papers for this Ephraim of Mecklenburg Co., VA & Spartanburg Co., SC definitely show his service was *only* in VA not SC. This record also indicates he and Winnie did not move to Spartanburg Co., SC until after the 1790 census, possibly 1793. He *may* be the Ephraim on the 1788 Montgomery Co., VA tax list. The Sizemore men that did serve in SC can be found in the Revolution Claims filed in SC between August 20, 1783 and August 31, 1786. Ephraim, George, William, and Noel. This Ephraim can also be found on: A LIST OF APPROXIMATELY 140 PENSIONERS PAID AT COLUMBIA, GIVING NAME OF PENSIONER, DISTRICT OF RESIDENCE, AND DATE LAST PAID http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/ViewImage.aspx?imageNumber=S165009081000005000a.jpg&recordId=307377 Ephraim Sizemore of Winton pd. in 1800. Winton County was one of four counties formed in Orangeburg District in 1785. It is what later became Barnwell. Joy Change to Thread View 1 of 1 Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 8 Posted: 02 Jun 2015 2:45 PM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore A fellow researcher located this book on Google books: "Loyalists in the Southern Campaign of the Revolutionary War: Official rolls" and sent me a link. Listed on page 24 of the Muster, Capt Robt Pearis' Company, SC Royalists, Camden, SC, 24 Feb 1781, 60 days inclusive, 24 Feb - 24 Apr 1781: Privates Edward and Owen Sizemore. Under remarks: deserted 19 Apr 1781. I only looked at the first 35 pages and these are the only Sizemores I saw. Evelyn Leslie Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC michellecenters2002 ( View Posts ) Replies: 7 Posted: 21 Jan 2016 10:50 PM Classification: Query Evelyn, Some people have speculated that these two are the sons of Old Ned Sizemore the Tory who supposedly was hung by Colonel Benjamin Cleveland. But I don't think so. There is no documented proof of sons or marriage for Old Ned nor any indication of who his children were other than the ECA's which were wholly filled with misinformation. Also, I do not think that they are the sons of Ephraim Sizemore 1748-1836 since he didn't marry Winiferd until 1775 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia so they would not have been old enough to serve in the Revolutionary War. My theory is that these two men may have been brothers of Ephraim Sizemore who still lived in South Carolina and served from there. There is more records showing other Sizemores who served in South Carolina including 3 George's, and a few other names I can't remember right off the top of my head but I do have the document in my files. If you want more documentation contact me I can send it to you. Michelle Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 22 Jan 2016 8:10 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore I hope your information is helpful to those researching Old Ned, Michelle - thanks for posting it. I am not connected. When my fellow researchers run across anything with Sizemores mentioned they share it with me, and I thought this one might be helpful to someone researching this family. Good to hear from you! Evelyn Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC ELeslie ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 22 Jan 2016 8:11 AM Classification: Query Surnames: Sizemore I hope your information is helpful to those researching Old Ned, Michelle - thanks for posting it. I am not connected. When my fellow researchers run across anything with Sizemores mentioned they share it with me, and I thought this one might be helpful to someone researching this family. Good to hear from you! Evelyn Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 4 Posted: 23 Jan 2016 2:07 PM Classification: Query Michelle, There are SC records for several different Ephraims, but the RW pension papers for this Ephraim of Mecklenburg Co., VA & Spartanburg Co., SC definitely show his service was *only* in VA not SC. This record also indicates he and Winnie did not move to Spartanburg Co., SC until after the 1790 census, possibly 1793. He *may* be the Ephraim on the 1788 Montgomery Co., VA tax list. The Sizemore men that did serve in SC can be found in the Revolution Claims filed in SC between August 20, 1783 and August 31, 1786. Ephraim, George, William, and Noel. This Ephraim can also be found on: A LIST OF APPROXIMATELY 140 PENSIONERS PAID AT COLUMBIA, GIVING NAME OF PENSIONER, DISTRICT OF RESIDENCE, AND DATE LAST PAID http://www.archivesindex.sc.gov/onlinearchives/ViewImage.aspx?imageNumber=S165009081000005000a.jpg&recordId=307377 Ephraim Sizemore of Winton pd. in 1800. Winton County was one of four counties formed in Orangeburg District in 1785. It is what later became Barnwell. Joy Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC michellecenters2002 ( View Posts ) Replies: 3 Posted: 01 Feb 2016 10:59 PM Classification: Query Edited: 01 Feb 2016 11:11 PM Joy, Ephraim was never in Montgomery County, Virginia. There was an Ephraim who bought land in the county in 1748 the same year my Ephraim was born in South Carolina so not same man. He lived only in Mecklenburg County, Virginia where he married Winifred and then when he finished service in the Revolutionary War in 1783 not long after he returned to South Carolina. I have a 1790 Federal Census for an Ephraim Sizemore in South Carolina. I am not completely sure if this is him or not yet but trying to verify. There he remained until his death in 1836. He collected his pension in South Carolina also per his file. Also, I was not referencing or saying that the Ephraim Sizemore that stayed and served in South Carolina was one and same as the 1748-1836 Ephraim, in fact if you read my note it is clear that quite the opposite. These are clearly two separate men and I was theorizing the possibility that this Ephraim, Edward, and Owen could have been brothers since they all served in South Carolina and were from the same general area. Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 2 Posted: 03 Feb 2016 12:16 PM Classification: Query Hi Michelle, You referred to Ephraim of Mecklenburg Co., VA & Spartanburg Co., SC as “your Ephraim”. Since this is my direct Sizemore line I’m very interested in knowing your relationship to him. It appears you have not viewed all of the available early Sizemore records. The earliest known Ephraim Sizemore is found in the VA 1740s surveys but the VA patents & deeds show he did not actually *own* any land in VA. NC records show he was living on land in what was Orange Co., NC in the 1750s which is in present Chatham Co., NC. He *may* be the same Ephraim found in the SC records 1769/9/June EPHRAIM SIZEMORE - Plat certified, 100A on both sides Horse Cr., branch of Sav. River, all sides vacant. Craven Co. [Edgefield 1769, Aiken 1871]. There are numerous SC records for this Ephraim and they all indicate he was the Ephraim on the 1790 census listed in the South part of Orangeburg Co., SC. Regarding the 1790 census, are you aware of this problem? First Census Of The United States - SC p.4 [Introduction]: . . . The legal period for enumeration, nine months, had been extended, the longest time consumed being eighteen months in South Carolina. Ibid. p.6: An Act Providing For The Enumeration Of The Inhabitants Of The United States Approved March 1, 1790. . . . The enumeration shall commence on the first Monday in August next, and shall close within nine calendar months thereafter. NGS Quarterly Vol.79 No.4 Dec. 1991, Hendrix- "Sorting Identities via Neighborhood Reconstruction" p.269: The submitted returns of the deputy marshals for northern and southern Orangeburg are dated 30 July 1791 and 28 April 1792 respectively. It is not known whether the recorded household data actually reflects individual situations as of the official census date (i.e., 2 August 1790) or whether they reflect ages and household compositions as of the date each household was visited.” Therefore, It is possible that all of the above GEORGE SIZEMORE, and possibly both of the WILLIAM, are the same persons, enumerated at different times and locations, considering some of the children may have died and/or some females married within the time span of SC's enumeration period of Aug. 1790 to Apr. 1792. Regarding Montgomery Co., VA: 1787 Census of VA - Mecklenburg Co.-Dist. of Clausel CLAUSEL - JOHN SIZEMORE Halifax Co.-Dist. of William ROBERTS - DANIEL SIZEMORE Montgomery Co.-Dist. of James NEWELL - OWEN, GEORGE SIZEMORE Note JK: Original copy available online: http://www.binnsgenealogy.com/FreeSample/CDR-000432/1787/ 1787A Montgomery County Personal Property- Alphabetical listing List of Taxable Property Within the District of Bird SMITH Image 15- Aug. 2 Name of tithables above 21- GEORGE SIZEMORE Horses, mares, colts, & mules: 1 Cattle: 1 List signed by Bird SMITH Oct. 16th 1787 1787B- List of taxable property within the District of Dav.d McGAV[cut off]- Alphabetical listing Image 1- July 6 Name of tithables above 21: Henry BAGLEY- John BAGLEY- Thos BAGLEY White males over 16 & under 21- Henry BAGLEY Jr. 1 Image 5- June 29 White males over 16 & under 21 John COMBS 2 horses etc. 5 cattle Image 8- June 13 tithable above 21: John HART Senr.- over 16 & under 21: 1- horses etc. 6 cattle 21 : John HART Jr. horses etc. 1 Image 9- June 19 tithable above 21: William HART 3 11 List signed by David McGAVOCK September 23d 1787 1787C a List of Taxable property in the district of James NEWELL July 27 [all in the above 21 column] Jesse BOLLING [no property listed] James BLEVINS so of D. 2 cattle Daniel BLEVINS 2 horses 3 cattle July 28 above 21 Willoby BLEVINS 1 horse 3 cattle above 16 & under 21 Samuel BLEVINS 2 horses 4 cattle August 16 above 21 OWEN SIZEMORE 1 cattle August 24 above 21 GEORGE SIZEMORE 1 horse 4 cattle Signed October 3d by J NEWELL Note JK: Those listed above 21 were b. by 1766 or earlier. Those listed above 16 & under 21 [17-20] were b. 1767-1770. 1787 Ancestry.com Virginia Genealogical Society Quarterly Volume XXXIV, Number 2 (May 1996) p.117. Delinquent Tax Lists, Montgomery Co., VA [Alphabetical list JK] A list of persons Charged With Tax In Montgomery County for the year 1787 & have Removed before the Same Could have been Collected of them & Was Taken In by Cap.t James NEWELL Comm’. Revenue Tax County Tax £ D S £ D S Jesse BOWLING No Carolina - - - - 10 - William COPE D.o - - - - 10 - John CHURCH D.o - 2 - - 10 - OWEN SIZEMORE No Caro. - - - - 10 GEORGE SIZEMORE D.o - 2 - - 10 Note JK: James & Thomas WILLIAMS are on the list of Mr. Bird SMITH and also to NC. James Newell’s area was in what became Grayson Co., VA. See: http://www.newrivernotes.com/va/grayplat.htm 1788 Montgomery Co., VA personal property tax list, copy of original sent to me by the late Mary Williams, copied from record at LVA. All of the lists are in alphabetical order. 1788 by James NEWELL: Jan. 17 OWEN SIZEMORE [all columns blank] Jan. 21 GEORGE SIZEMORE [all columns blank] Jan. 24 EPHRAIM SIZEMORE (no. of horses 1) Can also be seen online: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~vataxlists/Montgomery/1788PersonalB/15.jpg And Peter HART here: http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~vataxlists/Montgomery/1788PersonalB/07.jpg Note JK: http://poefamilyresearch.net/NC/PoeNorthCarolinaAsheCo.htm Montgomery Co., VA personal property tax list 1789 by Bird SMITH List A west fork Mill Creek of New River: [no mo. Listed] 8 GEORGE SIZEMORE (no. of horses 1) [no mo. Listed] 8*John SHEPHARD (Horses mares Colts & mules 3) *Note JK: The first column is titled Persons Names Chargeable With Tax. The second col. is titled Names of White Male Tithables above 21 and John SHEPHARD is the only one that is missing a name in that column. The third col. is titled No. of White males above 16 under 21- 2 are Listed in this col. for John SHEPHARD. According to notes by Virginia DeMarce, Tax List A of 1789 covered what is now Grayson Co., VA, part of Carroll, part of Smythe, and part of Wythe. According to Heads of Families-VA 1790 p.9: Summary of population of Virginia, by counties: 1790- Montgomery, as it stood previous to the formation of Wythe from it and Botetourt. Name of assistant [for this area] James Newell. There are no records for Montgomery Co. in this book, however I did find a Bird Smith on p.67 Cumberland Co. 1784. Joy Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC michellecenters2002 ( View Posts ) Replies: 1 Posted: 07 Feb 2016 8:28 PM Classification: Query Joy, Ephraim Sizemore 1748 SC-1836 SC he went to live in Mecklenburg County, Virginia sometime after 1765 when it was formed. He married Winiferd in 1775 and then served in the Virginia Militia from 1781-1783 according to his pension application. After his service in the Revolutionary War he returned to South Carolina and lived out his days there. As you can see in the attached documents the final payment, the South Carolina roster, and the SC Revolution list is showing two different Ephraim's. The last document is the Ephraim who married Winiferd in Virginia and of whom I discuss having his pension file. I have included some documents that I have on the Ephraim Sizemore 1748-1836 that was born in South Carolina, lived briefly in Virginia, then returned to South Carolina and died there. Michelle Attachments: Re: Edward and Owen Sizemore 1781 SC JYKing ( View Posts ) Replies: 0 Posted: 08 Feb 2016 8:46 PM Classification: Query Michelle, I’ve been at this for over 30 yrs. now and have owned copies of all of the RW pension papers for Ephraim & Winnie for many years. I’ve lived in SC since 1969 and spent a great deal of time in Columbia at the SC Archives and Caroliniana Library. There is absolutely nothing in the pension application statements that indicates this Ephraim actually lived in SC prior to the mid-1790s. Do you have a record that indicates where in SC you think he lived before moving to Mecklenburg Co., VA in 1765 when it was created from Lunenburg Co.? Do you have a record that shows he isn’t the Ephraim Sizemore on the 1788 Montgomery Co., VA tax list? Do you have a record that shows when the family moved to SC after the RW? Have you jumped to conclusions before completing your search for records? And I’m still wondering why you referred to him as “your” Ephraim. From RW application: EPHRAIM SIZEMORE- RW pension application Mar. 3, 1833 Spartanburg, SC. Born in SC, 85 yrs. old [1747/8], but has no record of the date of his birth. Joined service in Mecklenburg, VA under Capt. James ANDERSON but doesn't know date. Was drafted for 6 mo. in militia. Fall of 1780 drafted for 3 mo. under Capt. Henry SPEARS in Reg. commanded by Col. Jos. PHILIPS. Lived in Mecklenburg, VA when drafted for service. Living in SC upward of 40 yrs [1793]. No one in SC served with him, not on the pension roll of any State. So, there’s no actual confirmation of Ephraim & Winnie’s ages. Were they younger than stated in the pension applications? There’s nothing here that indicates he actually lived in SC after his birth. There’s nothing here that indicates they moved to SC before 1793. Katherine B. Elliott, compiler, Revolutionary War Records Mecklenburg County Virginia (1964; reprint, Easley, SC: Southern Historical Press, Inc., 1983), 129. SIZEMORE, JOHN - Patriot For continental Use - Rifle furnished CAPT. JAMES ANDERSON for Minutemen Company. VHM, Vol.13, p.19 This John is ttb a son of the Mecklenburg Co., VA William Sizemore that is associated with the Mecklenburg Co., VA Green family. Ephraim’s connection is unknown, but he and Winnie did name their first son John. This is also the William who is ttb the father the William Sizemore/Catherine Adams line of our smaller Y-DNA hg Q group. Unfortunately, this John did not have any sons, so we can’t confirm the Y-DNA connection. http://members.tripod.com/rosters/index-46.html SOUTH CAROLINA - FEDERAL PENSION REPORT 1835 REPORT FROM THE SECRETARY OF WAR IN OBEDIENCE TO RESOLUTIONS OF THE SENATE OF THE 5TH AND 30TH JUNE, 1834 AND THE 3RD OF MARCH, 1835. EPHRAIM SIZEMORE SPARTANBURGH DISTRICT PRIVATE VIRGINIA MILITIA $30.00 ANNUAL ALLOWANCE $90.00 AMOUNT RECEIVED AUGUST 27, 1833 PENSION STARTED AGE 86 REJECTED PENSION APPLICATIONS OF SOUTH CAROLINA RESIDENTS as cited in Rejected or Suspended Applications for Revolutionary War Pensions (Washington, D.C., 1835, revised 1852). Winney Sizemore, widow of Ephraim --, Spartanburg Further proof of marriage required. WINNEY SIZEMORE- application as widow of EPHRAIM, 1839. 94 yrs. old [1745], married ca. May 15, 1775 in Mecklenburg, VA. Ephraim died Apr. 5, 1836. Stephen & Margery SIZEMORE well acquainted with WINNEY. [Her son & dau-in-law. JK] Wm. WHEELER and Tabner[?] CORNWELL well acquainted with Stephen & Margery. HENRY GREEN INTIMATELY acquainted with Ephraim and Whinny and knew they were married before Rev. war ended, and before Ephraim was out of service. John GREEN attested to Henry GREEN's statement. Emsley HILTON attested to John & Henry GREEN. William WHEELER and Marjery SIZEMORE INTIMATELY acquainted with Winney & Ephraim *since 1796*. [Suspect Margery’s maiden name was Wheeler. JK] Elliott, Early Settlers Mecklenburg County Virginia Volume II, 164. Orphans or Wards Listed in the Guardian Book- 1765-1800 1777/8/Dec. GREEN, LEWIS - William W. GREEN guard. GREEN, HENRY- Peter OVERBY guard. Note 2003 JK: Both would be under 21 so b. bet. 1757 & 1761. Additional research needed on this to see if this Ephraim’s wife Winifred was a Green. Is this the Henry that was “intimately” acquainted with Winnie and witnessed the wedding? There are no SC records for this Ephraim & family prior to the 1800 Spartanburg Co., SC census. He did not *own* any land in Spartanburg Co. until 1818. Spartanburg Co., SC Deed Abstracts: Bk.R pp.119-120 3rd. Jan. 1818 - Henry BROCKMAN & Andrew McCRAREY, Exr., and Keziah KILGORE, Exrt. of estate of James KILGORE, all of Greenville District, sell to EPHRAIM SIZEMORE of Spartanburg District, for $104.00, 104A in Spartanburg on branch of MAPLE SWAMP CREEK, waters of South Tyger River and on the south side of said river. Beginning on BURNSES line near the road to land laid out for BRIGHT to stake on Page RORKS land. Wit: James KILGOR [Jr.? JK], James HAMMETT. James HAMMETT made oath in Spart. before Thomas WOOD, JQ, 16th Sept. 1820 Rec. 22 Sept. 1820. _________________________ NC 1778 North Carolina Genealogy Vol.XIV No.4 Winter 1968 Number 56 - Loyalists and Tories in the Rowan-Davidson-Davie Counties Area, 1778- Register of Persons who refused or neglected to appear before the Justice of their respective Districts and take the Oath or Affirmation of allegiance to the State agreeable to Act of Assembly & who have omitted appearing at Court and rendering Excuse for such Neglect or Refusal - . . . In Capt. JOHNSTON’s District [128 names on the list for this district JK] . . . Wm BRYAN, WM SIZEMORE, Morgan LYNVILL, STEPHEN GREEN, . . . John BRYAN SENR., WM LYNVILL, NUNAN SIZEMORE, . . . Note JK: William & Newman Sizemore, and Stephen Green are all from Mecklenburg Co., VA! The minimum age requirement was all males over 16. 1779/5/Aug. Early Adventures on the Western Waters Vol.II by Mary B. Kegley Section I- Chapter XI, Disaffection on the New River. At the request of Captain John COX those who were engaged in the insurrection, EDWARD SIZEMORE, OWEN SIZEMORE, David SMITH, Thomas PENARES, and James GREEN, were allowed to take the oath of allegiance and post bond for their good behavior on Aug. 5th 1779. 1781/19/Apr. Loyalists pp.24/25 - Muster, Capt. Robert PEARIS' Co., SC Royalists, Camden, SC, 24 Feb 1781, 60 days inclusive, 24 Feb-24 Apr 1781: Private SIZEMORE, EDWARD, deserted 19 Apr 1781 " SIZEMORE, OWEN " " " 1781 Joy

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= Ardagh House = == Overview == A late 18th, early 19th century 1 story period residence. Tastefully reconstructed in 1938 by John Alexander Hunter. It stands on the river Arrow(or Unshin), and is surrounded by a wide variety of mature trees and shrubs. == Ownership & Residency == The area of Ardagh, was the seat of John Dodd, and his wife Sarah Phibbs. Their grandchild, Rebecca Dodd, who was an heiress, married Owen Lloyd Of Croghan. Together, they built Ardagh house in the '''1820s'''. Richard Graves Brinkley married Hester H. Llyod in '''1846''', daughter of James Dodd Lloyd and grandchild of the aforementioned Rebecca and Owen LLyod. With this marriage, they were passed the 760 acre estate. In '''1866''', they sold the estate to William Hunter. He was suceeded by his son Alexander in '''1867'''. When Alexander died unexpectedly in '''1900''', the lands passed, in part (300 acres and house) to his sister Jessie Hunter. Jessie sold 195 acres in a forced sale in '''1923''' after the Republic was established. She died in '''1932''' and passed her lands to her nephew Richard Tamlin, who sold in 1943 to his uncle, [[Hunter-10985|John Alexander Hunter]] - who rebuilt the home in 1938. (Dates dont line up here). Russell Hunter, another brother who was in joint ownership with John, sold his share of the land to Thomas Patterson in '''1977'''. He died in '''1988''' and it was sold to Brendan MacConamha, who modernized and extended the buildings. == Sources == https://forum.familyhistory.uk.com/threads/john-hunter-marriage-1874-glasgow.23106/ https://www.rent.ie/holiday-homes/Ardagh-House-Riverstown-Co-Sligo/11357/

Ardagh is a townland in the Civil Parish of Aghadown in County Cork, Ireland. It is located in the Barony of West Carbery, near the townland of Turkhead, and on the mainland near the islands of Heir Island/Inisdriscol, Sherkin Island, and Long Island just off the Irish coast. It is a farming community. Most of the residents of Ardagh are Roman Catholic and most could speak the Irish language in the 1800s. They attended church at St. Comghall's in Lisheen for Masses and Baptisms, but the girls were married at Kilcoe RC Chapel, the mother church unti the 1900s. Many of the residents were buried in the Lisheen or Kilcoe cemeteries, and a burial register exists from 1947 forward, as posted on the Skibbereen Heritage Centre website. == Surnames of ARDAGH townland == == Surnames in Tax Records of Ardagh == === Surnames in Tithe Applotment tax records in Ardagh Townland in 1829 === ==== Research Notes ==== These families are all taxed in 1829 for Church of Ireland Tithes even though these families were likely Roman Catholic. 1829 is the Year of Catholic Emancipation, but the tithe taxes continued. CADIGAN - Patrick Cadigan is taxed and Timothy Cadigan is taxed.in 1829. Dennis Cadigan and Norry Cadigan are not mentioned yet DRISCOLL - Florence Driscoll is taxed, James Driscoll is taxed and Timothy Driscoll is taxed in 1829. HARRINGTON - Denis Harrington, Florence Harrington , James Harrington; Peter Harrington and Timothy Harrington were all taxed in Ardagh in 1829. Catherine Harrington not mentioned yet; however she is the only Harrington left in Ardagh by 1853. Michael Harringtonl, Denis Harrington, and John Harrington, are grouped together and taxed in 1829 in Ardaly, and are probably related and Bartholomew Harrington is taxed in 1829. in Ardaly, Ardaly might include Inishbeg island, as there is no separate entry for the island where over 300 people lived before the Great Famine of the late 1840s. KELTY - Patrick Kelty is taxed in 1829 and later is not on the records for 1840s. === Surnames in 1840s Valuations for Ardagh townland === # http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246787_01150.pdf # http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246729_00858.pdf * CADIGAN - Patrick Cadigan is taxed, Norry Cadigan is taxed, Denis Cadigan takes over from Jeremiah Donovan by 1849 and is taxed. * DRISCOLL/O'DRISCOLL - Florence Driscoll has a House, Office, Barn, and Cow House taxed in 1849. Timothy Driscoll is crossed out and replaced by Jerry Donovan in 1849. * DONOVAN - Jeremiah Donovan is crossed out in 1849 from one property but Jerry Donovan takes over another in 1849 and is taxed. * HARRINGTON - Denis Harrington is crossed out and replaced by his wife Catherine Harrington in 1849. James Harrington is crossed out and his house is vacant at first, but occupied by Patrick Cadigan in 1849. However, James Harrington is taxed once on January 4, 1849 in the Tenure Book and twice in the House book, first on February 21, 1850 and again on August 31, 1850 in the House Book and may have changed houses. Patrick Harrington is taxed in 1848 in the Tenure Book and in 1850 in the House Book.Timothy Harrington is crossed out and his two houses are torn down in 1849, however there were more than one Timothy Harrington and he appears on the Griffith's Valuations in 1853 below. On January 4, 1849, Timothy Harrington , Sr was taxed in the Tenure Book and Timothy Harrington, Jr. was taxed in the Tenure Book and on January 25, 1849, Timothy Harrington was taxed in the House Book twice for two houses.. On February 1850 Timothy Harrington , Sr was taxed in the House Book and Timothy Harrington, Jr. was taxed in the House Book. On August 1850, Timothy Harrington was taxed in the House Book. This may be a father and son and the father disappears by August 1850, either passed away or retired. Peter Harrington disappears before 1849. === 1853 Griffith's Valuations for Ardagh townland and other nearby townlands in Aghadown Civil Parish === * http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&familyname=DRISCOLL&firstname=&offset=0&countyname=CORK&parishname=AGHADOWN&unionname=&baronyname=CARBERY%2C+WEST+%28EAST+DIVISION%29&totalrows=61&PlaceID=0&wildcard=on # CREMMING - Patrick Cremming is taxed in Ardaly, subleasing from Denis Driscoll. # DRISCOLL - Anne Driscoll is taxed, Catherine Driscoll (widow of Patrick Driscoll?) is taxed, Catherine Driscoll of Heir Island/Inisdriscol is taxed, subletting from Edward Becher, Daniel Driscoll is taxed, Denis Driscoll is taxed twice in Ardraly and once in Currabeg, Florence Driscoll is taxed in Ardagh and Ardnagrogery, James, '''John Driscoll is taxed in Big Marsh subleasing from Robert Tighe, and also John Driscoll is taxed in Drisheen (near Creagh Civil Parish), subleasing from James Callaghan''', Jeremiah, Margaret, Michael Driscoll is taxed in Ardagh, Patrick and Timothy Driscoll is taxed in Ardagh and in Big Marsh, (See birth of Timothy Driscoll of Ardagh below on August 3, 1823.) # DONOGHUE - Mary Donoghue is taxed subleasing from Driscoll. # FITZGERALD - John Fitzgerald is taxed subleasing from Driscoll. # HARDING - johanna Harding is taxed subleasing from Driscoll. # HARRINGTON - Catherine Harrington (widow of Denis Harrington) is taxed in Ardagh, and is the only Harrington left in the townland of Ardagh in 1853, Daniel Harrington is taxed three times and might be three people, John Harrington is taxed in Ardaly townland in 1853. '''Michael Harrington is taxed on Inishbeg Island in 1853''', and Timothy Harrington is taxed in Reenmurragha townland in 1853, all in the Civil Parish of Aghadown. - http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml?action=doNameSearch&Submit.x=30&Submit.y=10&Submit=Submit&familyname=Harrington&firstname=First+Name&baronyname=CARBERY%2C+WEST+%28EAST+DIVISION%29&countyname=CORK&unionname=&parishname=AGHADOWN # HOOLAHAN - Margaret Hoolahan is taxed in Currabeg, subleasing from Denis Driscoll. # HEGARTY - Anne Hegarty is taxed in Ardraly. William Hegarty is taxed subleasing from Driscoll. # MCCARTHY - Margaret McCarthy is taxed in Currabeg. # PYBURN - Richard Pyburn is taxed subleasing from Driscoll. # SHANAHAN - Daniel Shanahan is taxed in Ardraly subleasing from Denis Driscoll. == Census Records for Ardagh townland, Aghadown Civil Parish == === Surnames enumerated on the 1901 Census of Ireland for Ardagh townland, Aghadown Civil Parish === * CADIGAN - Patrick Cadigan, 78 and family * CADOGAN - Timothy Cadogan, 44, and family * DRISCOLL * DONOVAN * MCCARTHY === 1911 Census of Ireland for Ardagh townland, Aghadown Civil Parish === * CADIGAN - Patrick P. Cadigan and family * CADOGAN - Patrick C. Cadogan and family * CORCORAN - young person * DONOVAN - Michael Donovan and family * DRISCOLL - Patrick and Ellen Driscoll and family * LYNCH - young person * MCCARTHY - Timothy McCarthy and Ellen McCarthy === 1926 Census of Ireland for Ardagh townland, Aghadown Civil Parish === * These records are not yet available online. Hopefully we can access them by 2026. == Selected Marriages of Aghadown Civil Parish for Persons who may have connections to the families of Ardagh townland == AGHADOWN ROMAN CATHOLIC PARISH MARRIAGES OF INTEREST - 1822-1834 - Most dates are approximate as records are hard to read. # BURKE John married Mary Daly of Aghadown about February 9, 1824. Witnesses Thomas and Michael Daly and priest might be John Daly. # BURKE Peter married Catherine Brien of Aghadown February 13 or March 13 1824 . Witnessesare Derby Brien and John McCarthy. Priest might be John Daly. # HARRINGTON John married Mary Mahony 1824 Witnesses Jeremiah Mahoney and Lawrence Mahoney. # BURK Thomas and Catherine Shanahan November 1824. Witnesses are Jacob Daly and Mary Daly. # HARRINGTON Dionisus (Denis?) married Mary Mahoney on April 16, 1825. Witnesses are Timothy Coghlan and Mary Hogan. # DONOVAN Cornelius married Driscoll. Witnesses Daniel Donovan and Bridget Hogan. # DRISCOLL Patrick married Catherine HARRINGTON April? 19, 1827. Witnesses are Denis McCarthy and Denis Neil. # DRISCOLL John married Nel or Helen in 1831. Witnesses Don Sullivan and Demetrius McCarthy. # DRISCOLL John married Catherine Mahoney in 1831. Witnesses are Daniel Donovan and Michael Donovan. # HARRINGTON Michael married Anna Marie Foley??? May 1832 - too dark to read. Witnesses Daniel Foley and Jacob Wholey. This is probably the Michael Harrington of Inishbeg Island off Ardaly townland. # DRISCOLL Florence married Mary Mahoney 1832. Witnesses are Donato Brien and Catherine Brien. # DRISCOLL Donatus married Helen Murphy. Witnesses are Joanne or John Cotter and Juliana Murphy. # BURK Michael married Margaret Hogan in 1832. Witnesses are Patrick Walsh and Bridget Brown. # DRISCOLL Donatus married Minihane. Witnesses are Jacob Collins and Jeremiah Driscoll. # HARRINGTON Jeremiah married Marianne Carthy in 1833. Witnesses are Charles Davis and Justin Carthy. # DRISCOLL Daniel married Johanna Callahane in 1833. Witnesses are John Callahane and Patrick Buckley. == Selected births with Ardagh surnames from 1822 forward in Aghadown RC Parish == # HARRINTON - Mary Harrington born to Denis Harrington and his wife Ellen Shanahan, 1822. Baptismal sponsors Tim ? and Mary Shanahane. # DRISCOLL - Mary Driscoll to John Driscoll and his wife Mary Keaton?. 1822. Baptismal sponsors are Keaton and Catherine Regan. # DRISCOLL - Mary Casey to Tim Casey and Bridget Driscoll, 1822 or 1823 # DRISCOLL - Catherine Driscoll to Patrick Driscoll and Honora McCarthy, May 1823, Baptismal sponsors are John Leary and Catherine Reily. # BURKE - Catherine Burke to John Burke and his wife, Margaret Gogin, 1823 # DRISCOLL - Mary Driscoll to Denis Driscoll and Ellen Driscoll, 1823. Baptismal sponsors are William Gosnell and Mary Driscoll. # '''DRISCOLL - Tim Driscoll to Timothy Driscoll and Mary Daly of Ardagh, August 3, 1823. Baptismal sponsors are John Fitzgerald and Catherine Daly'''. # DRISCOLL - Ellen Driscoll to Denis Driscoll and Leary, 1824. # DRISCOLL - Tim Driscoll to john Driscoll and Mary Sullivan, 1823 or 1824. Baptismal sponsors are Peter Sullivan and Catherine Mountain. # BURKE - Honora to Florence Burke and Johanna Gogin. August 30, 1823. Baptismal sponsors are James Donovan and Catherine Haly? or Daly?

Ardfert Abbey (or Ardfert Mansion) was the Crosbie estate in County Kerry, Ireland. It was built on the grounds of a monastery (hence the name) and destroyed by fire several times over the centuries. Sir Thomas Crosbie rebuilt it in the late 1600s and it was renovated and added on to several times until its final destruction by the IRA in 1922.

Arend Vinkenvleugel was born on 22 January, 1789 on Het Beggelder, the son of Hermanes Vinkenvleugel and Hendrina Oostendorp. He was baptised 3 days later, on 25 January, 1789 in Dinxperlo '''Baptism''': "DTB Dopen (Church records baptisms)"
Gelders Archief, Collection: Dinxperlo, Archive: 0176, Inventory number: 473, Folio: 162
[https://www.openarchieven.nl/gld:24D71CA7-F06D-4AC2-B92D-7F029831C2C0 OpenArch Record] (accessed 7 September 2023)
[https://permalink.geldersarchief.nl/24D71CA7F06D4AC2B92D7F029831C2C0 Gelders Archief Record]
Arend Vinkenvleugel baptism on 25 Jan 1789 in Arnhem, Nederland. . He died December 22, 1849 in Breedenbroek, Gendringen, Gelderland, Netherlands, listed as Arnold Finkenflügel. '''Death''': "BS Overlijden (Civil registration deaths)"
Gelders Archief, Collection: Burgerlijke stand Gelderland, dubbelen, Archive: 0207, Inventory number: 4680, Record number: 104, Book: Gendringen
[https://www.openarchieven.nl/gld:FEC73A21-25DC-4A6D-BF1E-61A9036D0BBD OpenArch Record] (accessed 7 September 2023)
[https://permalink.geldersarchief.nl/FEC73A2125DC4A6DBF1E61A9036D0BBD Gelders Archief Record]
Arnold Finkenflügel death 22 Dec 1849, son of Hermanus Finkenflügel & Hendrina Oostendorp, husband of Sophia Raasch, in Breedenbroek (Oude IJsselstreek), Nederland. ''He should not be confused with his double first cousin, Arend Vinkenvleugel, son of Alexander/Zander Vinkenvleugel and Anna Catharina Oostendorp, who was born 24 September, 1786, baptised on October 1, 1786 with Manes (Hermanes?) Vinkenvleugel and Maria Bussink as witnesses/godparents. This older Arend Vinkenvleugel was married to Elisabeth Hermens, and died on January 25, 1846 in Dinxperlo''. '''Baptism''': "DTB Dopen (Church records baptisms)"
Gelders Archief, Collection: Dinxperlo, Archive: 0176, Inventory number: 473, Folio: 137
[https://www.openarchieven.nl/gld:8849C5A2-8AE1-48F9-9C94-405A82801325 OpenArch Record] (accessed 7 September 2023)
[https://permalink.geldersarchief.nl/8849C5A28AE148F99C94405A82801325 Gelders Archief Record]
Maria Bussink baptism on 1 Oct 1786 in Arnhem, Nederland. '''Death''': "BS Overlijden (Civil registration deaths)"
Gelders Archief, Collection: Burgerlijke stand Gelderland, dubbelen, Archive: 0207, Inventory number: 5714.10, Record number: 3, Book: Dinxperlo, Overlijdensregister
[https://www.openarchieven.nl/gld:D51D9704-4420-4E29-ACFB-458E5C3C63C7 OpenArch Record] (accessed 7 September 2023)
[https://permalink.geldersarchief.nl/D51D970444204E29ACFB458E5C3C63C7 Gelders Archief Record]
Arend Vinkenvleugel death 25 Jan 1846, son of Alexander Vinkenvleugel & Catharina Oostendorp, in Dinxperlo, Nederland. He was married to Anna Sophia Raasch, who was born in Nessin near Kohlberg in Pommeren, Prussia. These places are nowadays known as Nieżyn and Kołobrzeg in the West Pomeranian Voivodeship in Poland. From this marriage, 6 children are known '''Population Register''': "Bevolkingsregister Dinxperlo deel 2. Gemeente Dinxperlo, 1830-1838"
Erfgoedcentrum Achterhoek en Liemers, Collection: 02, Archive: 0521, Inventory number: 792, Folio: 163
[https://www.openarchieven.nl/eal:3d881625-eed8-a990-6564-75f67bfe201d OpenArch Record] (accessed 6 September 2023)
[http://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?mivast=26&miadt=26&miaet=54&micode=0521-792&minr=2842570&miview=ldt Erfgoedcentrum Achterhoek en Liemers Record]
Arend Vinkenvleugel, age 42, born in Dinxperlo, Nederland. Sophia Raessen, age 40, born in Nessin near Kolberg in Prussia. Johan Vinkenvleugel, age 12, born in Nessin near Kolberg in Prussia. Bernardus Vinkenvleugel, age 3/4 year, born in Dinxperlo, Nederland. It further states that the family moved "from Nessin near Kohlberg in August 1831", and then moved away from Dinxperlo again: "left to Gendringen in 1834". : 1. Theodora Vinkenvleugel
2. Johann Martin Jacob Finkenflügel
3. Frederik Vinkenvleugel
4. Karel Vinkenvleugel
5. Carolina Maria Frederica Finkenflügel
6. Bernardus Vinkenvleugel ("zich noemende en schrijven Finkenflügel")
Of these children, only Bernardus was born in Dinxperlo. --- '''Johann Martin Jacob Finkenflugel''' is listed in about a dozen different records. Of those, I've collected 6 different ways to write his name. The Vinkenvleugel family that Arend is part of lived in the area bordering the Netherlands with Prussia/Germany, frequently baptised their children across the border at the St Michael church in Suderwick, just metres away from the Dutch/Prussian border with Dinxperlo. On his daughter Johanna's birth record, Johann's surname is recorded as "Finkenflugel". He was able to sign it himself, and the name looks as "Finkenflugel", though there appears a single dot above the 'g' near the end. Was he trying to sign the name as "Finkenflügel"? On records, Johann's children usually show up as Finkenflügel/Finkenflugel, while his brother Bernard is listed as Vinkenvleugel (as are Bernard's children). Johanna's son '''[[Huls-232|Bernadus Huls]]''' marries '''[[Vinkenvleugel-4|Johanna Aleida Vinkenvleugel]]''', Bernard Vinkenvleugel's granddaughter, bringing both the Finkenflügel and Vinkenvleugel branches back together: although their surnames are spelled differently, they are both part of the same family. Of note here is that Bernard's marriage record attachments states that while he was named Bernardus Vinkenvleugel, he called himself (and wrote it too) as Bernardus Finkenflügel, like his siblings. '''Marriage''': "BS Huwelijk (Civil registration marriages)"
Gelders Archief, Collection: Burgerlijke stand Gelderland, dubbelen, Archive: 0207, Inventory number: 4746, Record number: 9, Book: Gendringen
[https://www.openarchieven.nl/gld:402D43A5-A8A5-4CE2-87D1-9C1ABD350824 OpenArch Record] (accessed 7 September 2023)
[https://permalink.geldersarchief.nl/402D43A5A8A54CE287D19C1ABD350824 Gelders Archief Record]
Bernardus Vinkenvleugel (28) marriage to Aleida Baten (29) on 25 Feb 1862 in Gendringen, Nederland.
'''Specifically, see the marriage attachments''' It is likely Johann's birth record is to be located in the church records near modern day Kołobrzeg, Poland. --- '''Hypothesis''': Johann's father, Arend Vinkenvleugel, was conscripted in one of the regiments for the Grande Armée; he deserted somewhere near Kołobrzeg, either for the Siege of 1807, or on the way to/from Russia. Current evidence in this direction: 1. The surname Raasch does appear a few times around 1790 in Kolberg in church registers.[https://geneteka.genealodzy.pl/index.php?op=gt&lang=eng&bdm=B&w=16zp&rid=B&search_lastname=Raasch&search_name=&search_lastname2=&search_name2=&from_date=&to_date=&rpp1=&ordertable= Geneteka, Polish church records; accessed 2023-09-07]
2. There is few, if any, other reasons for Arend to make it all the way to Pommeren. Within the area, as well as within the family, people married within the community. Arend is one of the first to leave the comfort of marrying within the community. Emigrating to Pommeren around 1814 is not likely. Nor is emigrating and returning around 1830 and continuing the family line in the surroundings of Arend's birth area. Current search tracts:
- Looking through French records regarding conscription/enlistment in the Grande Armée for the names Vinkenvleugel, Man(n)eszoon and variations thereof.
- Searching church records around Nessin and Kolberg for mentions of the Vinkenvleugel/Finkenflügel & Raasch family. === Sources ===

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